Sheikh Mo and Bernardini

Originally Posted by Cardus

You forgot about the part that many of the backstretch help are either visa overstays or who snuck into the country without regard for our immigration laws.

Don't confuse him with facts.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I don't talk down to anybody. The comments were attacks on the owners of these horses because of the way the act in Dubai. I was just pointing out that you might want to look in the mirror before criticizing anyone.

You take their gas, and I am sure if one wanted to buy a horse from you, you would have no problem selling him one if you could make a dollar.

I am a realist, I know how things work. People throw darts at people like the family that owns these horses, but have no problem with it if they can benefit from it. That is the way people are.

I just think horse racing should stick with horse racing, and politics should stay out of these threads. The comments attacking them were not mine, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Well George (and I assume your handle is after the horse and not the original man since he was a slave owner)...this country has much to be ashamed of as do all cultures, we had slavery, we still have racism, we do have a class structure...but none of that means a person can't speak out against injustice WHERE EVER IT HAPPENS! I have plenty to say about conditions here...and I catch hell for it! I marched with Dr King in the 60's so I don't need someone to lecture me on racism...were you there? I opposed Viet Nam as a member of SDS, were you at the meetings? I served my country in that war when drafted...was that you in the foxhole next to me? I've rescued scores of horses and adopted as many as I could, how many rescued thoroughbreds do you have? And I actually lived in that region with members of my grandmother's family...you "visited" and saw what foreigners are suppose to see! I lived on the streets (and under them) of NYC as a homeless person for a couple weeks so I suspect I know as much about the "other America" as you do...and yet, cause I could walk away at any time I couldn't experience the hopelessness and would never claim to understand that world completely...you want to make assumptions about folks and claim hypocracy...look in the mirror! Under your rules, only "perfect" people can be critical of evil...well, there's a lot of evil in the world and no perfect persons so I guess we should ignore the problems???

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Why do people care if they retire Bernardini or not. If you say it is selfish of them to retire the horse then aren't you being selfish for wanting the horse to race??? All of our stars are retired too early in my opinion. Smarty, Alex, Point Given, Ghostzapper etc etc. I know some had injuries, but with time off they could have come back to race. With the exceptions of Smarty and Alex, most of our stars are owned by people with big bucks so money isn't a problem but it is a factor when retiring a horse.

What I like to think is that most owners take the money they earned and put it back into the industry by buying more horses. I certainly think that the Sheikh puts just as much money into the sport than he takes out. So I have no problem with him when it comes to racing. What I don't like is that a couple of outfits have raised the price for horses and certain people are unable to compete. But this is part of life.

I would rather see the offspring of Bernardini run than Bernardini himself. Imagine the next 10 years of little Dini's running around. I am sure that he will be able to produce a couple of nice off-spring.

Good luck to Dini in the BCC. He deserves to be there and I hope he wins. He seems to be a fantastic horse and I hope we really get to see the horse all out on Nov 4th regardless of the margin of victory or defeat.

It is simple. I'm a fan of horse racing, not a fan of horse breeding. I couldn't care less about his offspring running in ten years. We have a potentially great horse and will only get to see him run for one frickin year. This is why the sport is so hard to market.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

It is simple. I'm a fan of horse racing, not a fan of horse breeding. I couldn't care less about his offspring running in ten years. We have a potentially great horse and will only get to see him run for one frickin year. This is why the sport is so hard to market.

Part of being a fan is getting excited about the potential of a sire. Like it not not, breeding plays a HUGE role in our sport. I get just as excited during sales than I do during a race. I am totally pumped to see The Green Monkey race (if he ever makes it--I hear he is as Belmont now and had a recent work). I would love to see Dini race for another couple of years, but I also understand his importance to the sport as a sire.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Secretariat set his record in May of his three year old year. And how do these "experts" that you know figure he can go that fast when he just went 2:01 at a track where the track record is 1:58:1? Belmont's 10 f races are run at a turn and a half as opposed to two turn, which makes it faster by at least a second. So you figure hes got about 14 lengths improvement in him? yeah, ok, sure.

When a track is souped-up ... even a nonentity like Monarchos can shade 2:00 for 10f.

If the track is legitimate ... Bernardini won't come close to the record ... if it's a Monarchos track ... anything can happen.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

When a track is souped-up ... even a nonentity like Monarchos can shade 2:00 for 10f.

If the track is legitimate ... Bernardini won't come close to the record ... if it's a Monarchos track ... anything can happen.

Sharp post.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I did not live there. I have been there 4 times. Once for 2 weeks and the other 3 times for 1 week.

I think it is hilarious how you people attack them, but you have no problem going out and buying goods, like your sneakers, made from slave labor, if it saves you a dollar. The hypocrisy is disgusting.

You people complain about human rights but you look the other way when it is your money.

Here is a question for you, why do you gamble on horse racing knowing much of the labor in the business live in terrible living conditions and are paid poorly? If they made the takeout 50% and used the additional takeout to pay workers more and give them better wages, would you complain?

How about when building your new homes. A $200,000 home would cost you $300,000 if the labor was paid market value, but you have no problem with cheap labor when it benefits you.

Please don't tell me you don't buy goods made by slave labor. Everyone does. How about your food? Do you buy exclusively higher priced free range foods or do you look the other way knowing the way chickens are treated?

Lastly, you gamble on horse racing, but do you know what happens to many of these horses?

Why don't we stick to horse racing and stop criticizing people that act much like we all do. The hypocrisy stinks here.

Suggestion ...

... change your site name to karlmarx.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Never met them. What is the difference between calling them your highness and somebody calling the President, Mr. President?

I laugh how people act like there is no class structure in America. In fact, the american class structure is worse than anywhere in the world.

I guess George Washington, the founder of our country, having slaves was ok. How about Thomas Jefferson?

How many countries have slave owners that are on their money or have cities named after them?

I don't knock other cultures and people because I understand that is their culture.

Last I checked Americans complain about $3 a gallon gas, and are willing to deal with dictators as long as it means their gas will go down to $2.

Enough with the comments about these people. It is nothing but racism.

... or vladimirilyichlenin.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I have never met the Sheikhs.


I am going to guess you listen to Rush Limbaugh and complain when gas prices get too high.

I love you people that like to complain about their culture, but then when it comes to knocking down the price of your gas you can look the other way. Spare me the hypocrisy.

.. how about josefvissarianovichstalin?

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Typical hypocrit. Avoid your own hypocrisy and go on the attack. Right out of the Republican playbook. And that is coming from somebody who contributed to the President when Farish came looking for money.

Enough of this. The horse racing conversation obviously has lost out to the hypocrits.

I've got it ... iwannabehillary!

Bold Brooklynite so many of those jokers have shared id's its hard to tell which one of them is on at any given time.
its more like www.completebull****.com

Originally Posted by oracle80

Bold Brooklynite so many of those jokers have shared id's its hard to tell which one of them is on at any given time.
its more like www.completebull****.com

I clicked on the link you provided ... and nothing was there.

A very appropriate metaphor for what's inside these guys' skulls.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

When a track is souped-up ... even a nonentity like Monarchos can shade 2:00 for 10f.

If the track is legitimate ... Bernardini won't come close to the record ... if it's a Monarchos track ... anything can happen.

I wonder if the track will be souped-up on Breeder's Cup Day.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

I clicked on the link you provided ... and nothing was there.

A very appropriate metaphor for what's inside these guys' skulls.

That's very fitting.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I wonder if the track will be souped-up on Breeder's Cup Day.

From what I hear the track is going to be as fair as possible. It wont be like concrete when it is Derby day, but a nice track. Usually when the track is like this, the rail is dead. Of course this all depends on the weather.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

From what I hear the track is going to be as fair as possible. It wont be like concrete when it is Derby day, but a nice track. Usually when the track is like this, the rail is dead. Of course this all depends on the weather.

Euro, what are they going to say? They we will soup the hell out of it. C'mon....Maybe it will be perfect, but they don't even admit the horse s.hit they pull on Derby Day which in 2001 cost horses their careers and even lives. Someone should've been arrested for that.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

From what I hear the track is going to be as fair as possible. It wont be like concrete when it is Derby day, but a nice track. Usually when the track is like this, the rail is dead. Of course this all depends on the weather.

I have some land to sell you too. Where did you hear this anyway? I doubt they are going to comment on the track. With Henny Hughes and Bernardini running, both track records are in trouble. I can assure you some people in the KY breeding business would love to see Bernardini take down that track record.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I wonder if the track will be souped-up on Breeder's Cup Day.

Is that more inside info? Thanks man, I would never have guessed that they would scrape a track on a big day down there, thanks a lot.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I have some land to sell you too. Where did you hear this anyway? I doubt they are going to comment on the track. With Henny Hughes and Bernardini running, both track records are in trouble. I can assure you some people in the KY breeding business would love to see Bernardini take down that track record.

And we care so much about those breeders because?????????

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I have some land to sell you too. Where did you hear this anyway? I doubt they are going to comment on the track. With Henny Hughes and Bernardini running, both track records are in trouble. I can assure you some people in the KY breeding business would love to see Bernardini take down that track record.

Henny isn't breaking any records. Nor is Bernie. Why people think these records are suddenly going to fall is a mystery to me?.....Henny isn't winning to begin with.