McKee Blew it!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Do you really think SNS and BD were at their best in the Preakness?

BGC was running on 3 legs in the Travers...

Bernardini is a talented horse, but I do not believe he's a super horse by any means...GZ, Smarty, and Mineshaft to name a few are better...

Whatever. Didnt say Bernardini was a "superhorse" but he is certainly better than lawyer Ron by any measurement. And despite your excuses, he has beaten some pretty good horses.

I repeat...what has Lawyer Ron beaten?

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Dude, he can only beat who is entered against him. His 1st race aside, he has defeated EVERY horse he has faced, easily. I'll ask again, you can't really be seriously comparing the two right? Because that might just be the most asinine thing I have heard on this board yet.

Bernardini is better, no doubt, but it's not out of the question to put Lawyer Ron in the Top 3yo's...

I am editing this, because I respect Kasept, I apologize to any it offended...

[Gander]

If Bernardini isnt a super horse, well then that makes Lawyer Ron a very average horse.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Excuses, excuses, this one was not at his best, this one was running on three legs. It gets tiresome. What was Lawyer Ron's excuse yesterday? I actually think he ran his race, and was beat. He would be lucky to finish within 10 of Bernardini.

I just want to know what Lawyer Ron has beaten. The LR apologists who keep blaming the jockey havent given anything but excuses.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Not talking down, just proving you wrong. I guess he is in the top ten three year olds right now, but I seriously doubt he's scaring anyone away. Bernardini scares people away. Plain and simple.

If you are proving me wrong how can you use argue the same thing for one and not the other...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

If you are proving me wrong how can you use argue the same thing for one and not the other...

Because Bernardini has actually beaten good horses. Your argument is one that you cannot prove thus it is very weak. There is no data supporting what you say.

I ask you again...what has Lawyer Ron beaten?

[Danzig]

i don't think ron needs excuses for yesterday. he held on well, showed a lot of heart. and jocks get blamed all the time for a horse not winning.
also, regarding mckee....when ron took off in the ark derby, he let him have his head. horse won. he fought him yesterday, the horse didn't win.

ALL horses have people who question who they beat, even the great man o war, and the almost as great native dancer! nothing wrong with questioning who ron defeated...all horses meet some good, and some not so good horses--including bernardini and his ilk.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I ask you again...what has Lawyer Ron beaten?

enough horses to put him firmly in the top ten for earnings this year.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i don't think ron needs excuses for yesterday. he held on well, showed a lot of heart. and jocks get blamed all the time for a horse not winning.
also, regarding mckee....when ron took off in the ark derby, he let him have his head. horse won. he fought him yesterday, the horse didn't win.

ALL horses have people who question who they beat, even the great man o war, and the almost as great native dancer! nothing wrong with questioning who ron defeated...all horses meet some good, and some not so good horses--including bernardini and his ilk.

Yeah but...

What did Lawyer Ron beat that was any good?

[Pointg5]

He beat a hell alot of horses when he was reeling off his wins, he can only beat who runs against him. Correct? isn't that what you guys are arguing...Let's see what kind of number comes out of this race, I have a feeling it's going to be pretty good....

[Danzig]

1 Lava Man 6 6 0 0 $2,470,000
2 Barbaro 5 4 0 0 $2,203,200
3 Bernardini 6 5 0 0 $1,610,480
4 Bluegrass Cat 7 2 4 0 $1,547,500
5 Lawyer Ron 7 5 1 0 $1,340,800
6 Showing Up 7 5 0 1 $1,130,500
7 Fleet Indian 5 5 0 0 $1,113,720
8 Cacique 6 2 3 0 $994,432
9 Invasor 3 3 0 0 $990,000
10 Wait a While 7 4 1 2 $880,807

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

He beat a hell alot of horses when he was reeling off his wins, he can only beat who runs against him. Correct? isn't that what you guys are arguing...Let's see what kind of number comes out of this race, I have a feeling it's going to be pretty good....

But can you name ONE that was good? LOL

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Has Bernardini?

Besides, a bunch of tired horses in the Preakness and an injured Barbaro...He got away with slow fractions in the Jim Dandy and beat a 3 legged Blue Grass Cat in the Travers...

I agree with you. I don't think that Lawyer Ron is nearly as good as Bernardini but I hate it when people ask who a horse has beaten. If a person has any scouting ability at all, they can tell whether a horse is good regardless of who he's beaten.

Bernardini hasn't beaten any great horses on their best day. Sweetnorthernsaint didn't run anything close to his best in the Preakness. Brother Derek didn't fire in the Preakness. Bernardini beat nobody in his first race this summer. His last race is the only race where you could say he beat a pretty good horse in Bluegrass Cat. BGC may not have run his best that day but I think he ran close to his best.

By the way, Lawyer Ron kept beating that grey horse over and over again. That grey horse ran 3rd in the Ky Derby.

LR is a very good horse. He's not nealy as good as Bernardini but neither is anyone else. LR is in the top handful of best 3 year olds.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't really get what you are asking but the point is, Lawyer Ron fans have been making excuses for two days now. You attempted to try and compare he and Bernardini and it was a bad comparison.

If you can't understand that you are arguing the same thing, by saying that LR beat no one, but Bernardini has beat all of the ones they put in the gate, how is that not contradicting yourself...I guess you are too assinine to figure it out...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

1 Lava Man 6 6 0 0 $2,470,000
2 Barbaro 5 4 0 0 $2,203,200
3 Bernardini 6 5 0 0 $1,610,480
4 Bluegrass Cat 7 2 4 0 $1,547,500
5 Lawyer Ron 7 5 1 0 $1,340,800
6 Showing Up 7 5 0 1 $1,130,500
7 Fleet Indian 5 5 0 0 $1,113,720
8 Cacique 6 2 3 0 $994,432
9 Invasor 3 3 0 0 $990,000
10 Wait a While 7 4 1 2 $880,807

Its nice to be in those three year old restricted races and have all of the races you run in come up light. A horse can win a lot of money.

The connections should be applauded for a well run campaign. Winning 1.3 and not beating good horses is a hell of an accomplishment.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I agree with you. I don't think that Lawyer Ron is nearly as good as Bernardini but I hate it when people ask who a horse has beaten. If a person has any scouting ability at all, they can tell whether a horse is good regardless of who he's beaten.

Bernardini hasn't beaten any great horses on their best day. Sweetnorthernsaint didn't run anything close to his best in the Preakness. Brother Derek didn't fire in the Preakness. Bernardini beat nobody in his first race this summer. His last race is the only race where you could say he beat a pretty good horse in Bluegrass Cat. BGC may not have run his best that day but I think he ran close to his best.

By the way, Lawyer Ron kept beating that grey horse over and over again. That grey horse ran 3rd in the Ky Derby.

LR is a very good horse. He's not nealy as good as Bernardini but neither is anyone else. LR is in the top handful of best 3 year olds.

Isnt that "grey horse" still eligible for nx2 competition?

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

I'm a Lawyer Ron fan and I'm not making excuses although it is obvious that the horse could have possibly won the race if he wasn't so rank early own.

Lawyer Ron is not as good as Bernardini...no way.

However, Lawyer Ron is definitely in the top tier of the 3 yos. He is 5th on the earnings list of all horses of this year. I really like the colt. If spotted right, this horse will go on to win many more stakes races. He probably could have beat SC yesterday if he would have settled. That WAS NOT his best performance as he was very rank early. I really think that LR is improving too, at least, since this spring.

I think he stands a shot to win races such as the Cigar Mile if prepared properly. However, he should not be put in races such as the BC Classic. At this point, I really think that he has distance limitations as I have probably said many times throughout this thread...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I'm a Lawyer Ron fan and I'm not making excuses although it is obvious that the horse could have possibly won the race if he wasn't so rank early own.

Lawyer Ron is not as good as Bernardini...no way.

However, Lawyer Ron is definitely in the top tier of the 3 yos. He is 5th on the earnings list of all horses of this year. I really like the colt. If spotted right, this horse will go on to win many more stakes races. He probably could have beat SC yesterday if he would have settled. That WAS NOT his best performance as he was very rank early. I really think that LR is improving too, at least, since this spring.

I think he stands a shot to win races such as the Cigar Mile if prepared properly. However, he should not be put in races such as the BC Classic. At this point, I really think that he has distance limitations as I have probably said many times throughout this post...

I'll tell you what Roses, we can set up our own future book right here and i will give you 50-1 right now if you want to take Lawyer Ron in the cigar.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

I don't know who is in the race and I don't know if he will go to that race or not. Plus, I don't like future bets. However, if he does go, I will tell everyone on this board what I think of his chances. Because the top horses in the country normally run in the BC Classic, it is usually the second tier GI horses going in the Cigar Mile. I think that LR is talented enough to be a second tier GI horse at that distance.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

This really proves nothing though because the purses are so high for the 3 year olds stakes at Oaklawn. Purse value does not necessarily indicate talent in the race. Lawyer Ron was by far the most talented horse to come out of Oaklawn this year, but the second was Steppenwolfer, who, sorry is a second tier 3 year old. He did suck up for third in the Derby, but he was beat how many?

thing is, just like every other year, anyone can come to arkansas. purses are high everywhere for 3 yo's in the spring, the florida derby also offers 1 million. blue grass stakes with 750k...but no sinister minister in the top ten.

all i know is, if lawyer ron is so bad, than maybe oxley and ward better reconsider going to the bcc with strong contender...since he's only managed to beat a horse yesterday who evidently has only beaten bad horses. you'd think a bunch of other bad-horse-beaters would come to ark for the easy money as well...
i hope some day i own a rotten mule like lawyer ron, i'll be laughing all the way to the bank.