2012 Triple Crown Trail: 11 try to deny I'll Have Another

[Indian Charlie]

Maybe that dolt Sheppard no longer thinks Ever So Lucky is a sprinter!

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Kasept

KEE: 4/14/12 - Blue Grass (G1) -- Current Field

Dullahan (Romans)
Ever So Lucky (Sheppard)
Hansen (Maker)
Heavy Breathing (Pletcher)
Hero of Order (Dorochenko) -- Possible
Holy Candy (Sadler)
Howe Great (Motion)
Midnight Crooner (Baffert)
Politicallycorrect (Ward)
Prospective (Casse)
Russian Greek (Dorochenko)

Adirondack King (Servis) -- Lexington
Golden Ticket (McPeek) Lexington
Scatman (Lauer) -- Lexington

Raconteur (Pletcher) -- Unlikely

That's the most interesting Blue Grass field in a while.

[Merlinsky]

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...the-blue-grass

I get that when your horse gets a graded win, you look for other graded stakes so I'm not begrudging them the obvious course of action, esp. for a $750,000 race. It's not like they can wait on the sidelines til the Derby with some really expensive 'no no, you take this one, we'll wait.' I was just thinking that if I had a horse that missed out on sufficient Derby earnings because a another horse with no way of getting in finished ahead of mine, I'd be p'od.

Then there's the problem of an embarrassment of riches (well, two promising 3yos who've won something with the word "Derby" in it counts here). The trainer's got Russian Greek too. Was there no way to keep these two apart so the one who's Triple Crown nominated and by Giant's Causeway out of a Grindstone mare would have a better shot at getting the dough without having to deal with the one who's not TC nominated? Does Dorochenko have an ownership interest in either?

Hero of Order was bought for $3,000. It'd be a curious situation if he won 2 big Derby preps and then couldn't enter the race.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...the-blue-grass

I get that when your horse gets a graded win, you look for other graded stakes so I'm not begrudging them the obvious course of action, esp. for a $750,000 race. It's not like they can wait on the sidelines til the Derby with some really expensive 'no no, you take this one, we'll wait.' I was just thinking that if I had a horse that missed out on sufficient Derby earnings because a another horse with no way of getting in finished ahead of mine, I'd be p'od.

Then there's the problem of an embarrassment of riches (well, two promising 3yos who've won something with the word "Derby" in it counts here). The trainer's got Russian Greek too. Was there no way to keep these two apart so the one who's Triple Crown nominated and by Giant's Causeway out of a Grindstone mare would have a better shot at getting the dough without having to deal with the one who's not TC nominated? Does Dorochenko have an ownership interest in either?

Hero of Order was bought for $3,000. It'd be a curious situation if he won 2 big Derby preps and then couldn't enter the race.

If you needed to beat Hero of Order to get to the Derby, and you couldn't, I'd be pissed that my horse was nowhere near as good as I originally thought...not that I didn't make the Derby.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

If you needed to beat Hero of Order to get to the Derby, and you couldn't, I'd be pissed that my horse was nowhere near as good as I originally thought...not that I didn't make the Derby.

[gamblin4ever]

Dorochenko owns Hero of Order I believe. Couldn't he be using him as a rabbit to ensure a fast pace for Russian Greek.

[gamblin4ever]

I would've liked to see Exothermic at least try the dirt with his turn of foot on the grass and the way he won those 2 races was 2nd flight stalking then turn it on at top of stretch.

[tjfla]

According to DRF.com

Horses pointined to the Jerome include Right to Vote, Adirondack King, Dan and Sheila, Sensor, and Term Loan.


Would think someone else would take a shot at some earnings AND why is Reveron goin to the Lex and not the Jerome,same amount of cash/on dirt/and prolly an easier field?

[outofthebox]

Baffert should enter Laison, Secret Circle, and Drill so Lukas is forced to enter Optimizer in the Crown Royal where he belongs! Oh and he can scratch all the Pegram horses after the draw. That will ruffle some feathers....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by outofthebox

Baffert should enter Laison, Secret Circle, and Drill so Lukas is forced to enter Optimizer in the Crown Royal where he belongs! Oh and he can scratch all the Pegram horses after the draw. That will ruffle some feathers....

Will have to wait a little longer because I think they are doing an AE this year

[Mike]

Originally Posted by tjfla

According to DRF.com

Horses pointined to the Jerome include Right to Vote, Adirondack King, Dan and Sheila, Sensor, and Term Loan.


Would think someone else would take a shot at some earnings AND why is Reveron goin to the Lex and not the Jerome,same amount of cash/on dirt/and prolly an easier field?

Yeah, I always wondered why the Lexington was the last ditch place to get earnings, when the Jerome, though north into the New York area (resulting in having to ship into Kentucky later), offers as much, if not more, otherwise.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by Mike

Yeah, I always wondered why the Lexington was the last ditch place to get earnings, when the Jerome, though north into the New York area (resulting in having to ship into Kentucky later), offers as much, if not more, otherwise.

Correct me if I'm wrong, buy I believe Thr Jerome has only recently been switched to the spring, and used to be run in the early fall at Belmont.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

Correct me if I'm wrong, buy I believe Thr Jerome has only recently been switched to the spring, and used to be run in the early fall at Belmont.

no, you're right. it got moved to aqueduct, rather than at belmont later.

[Kasept]

CD: 5/5/12 - Kentucky Derby (G1)

1 Hansen Michael Maker $1,550,000
2 Daddy Long Legs Aidan O'Brien $1,294,030
3 Union Rags Michael Matz $1,170,000
4 Dullahan Dale Romans $855,000
5 Creative Cause Mike Harrington $836,000
6 Wrote (IRE) Aidan O'Brien $756,630 -- Uncertain per Darren Rogers
7 Gemologist Todd Pletcher $703,855
8 Sabercat Steve Asmussen $701,429
9 Take Charge Indy Patrick Byrne $698,400
10 Secret Circle Bob Baffert $670,000 -- Uncertain per Darren Rogers
11 Bodemeister Bob Baffert $660,000
12 I'll Have Another Doug O'Neill $601,000
13 Daddy Nose Best Steve Asmussen $545,558
14 Liaison Bob Baffert $393,000 -- Uncertain per Darren Rogers
15 Alpha Kiaran McLaughlin $380,000
16 Prospective Mark Casse $367,327
17 Trinniberg Bisnath Parboo $324,500 -- Preakness
18 Done Talking Hamilton Smith $311,000
19 Drill Bob Baffert $300,000 -- Highly unlikely
20 Went the Day Well Graham Motion $282,000 -- Lexington
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21 Rousing Sermon Jerry Hollendorfer $270,000
22 Mark Valeski Larry Jones $260,000
23 El Padrino Todd Pletcher $250,000
24 Reveron Agustin Bezara $220,000 -- Lexington
25 Isn't He Clever Henry Dominguez $188,000
26 Optimizer D. Wayne Lukas $184,708
27 Castaway Bob Baffert $162,000
28 Currency Swap Teresa Pompey $150,000
29 My Adonis Kelly Breen $140,000
30. Brother Francis Jim Cassidy $135,000

[justindew]

The odds on both Drill and Secret Circle passing on the Derby are long.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by justindew

The odds on both Drill and Secret Circle passing on the Derby are long.

Drill is certainly not running.

[Travis Stone]

Trinniberg is an interesting story. He's a sprinter. In either the Derby or the Preakness he's going to run fast early and have a very low chance of hanging around until the end. So given that, why would you go to the Preakness and not just try the Derby? I suppose he might get an "easier" lead in the Preakness... but we're still talking about a really fast 6-7 furlong horse.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Trinniberg is an interesting story. He's a sprinter. In either the Derby or the Preakness he's going to run fast early and have a very low chance of hanging around until the end. So given that, why would you go to the Preakness and not just try the Derby? I suppose he might get an "easier" lead in the Preakness... but we're still talking about a really fast 6-7 furlong horse.

Because in the Derby he would have to face Bodemeister whose only wins have been on the lead and Hansen who stalked in the Gotham but otherwise guns it like a quarterhorse early... I could envison them opening up a 10 length lead on the field while deuling.

[Kasept]

ANTICIPATED LEXINGTON FIELD

All Squared Away (Miller)
Gold Megillah (Motion)
Golden Ticket (McPeek)
Hammers Terror (Stidham)
Holiday Promise (Pletcher)
Johannesbourbon (Gorder)
Morgan’s Guerilla (Maker)
News Pending (Romans)
Stirred Up (Baffert)
Summer Front (Clement)

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Kasept

ANTICIPATED LEXINGTON FIELD

All Squared Away (Miller)
Gold Megillah (Motion)
Golden Ticket (McPeek)
Hammers Terror (Stidham)
Holiday Promise (Pletcher)
Johannesbourbon (Gorder)
Morgan’s Guerilla (Maker)
News Pending (Romans)
Stirred Up (Baffert)
Summer Front (Clement)

Add Castaway (Baffert) to the Lex probs..

Castaway ($162,000) and Morgan's Guerilla ($100,000) would be right on cusp of making Derby field with $120,000 winner's share..