This One's for Phil goes nuts...

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

They aren't on the same page. Interestingly, all of these fast 3yo's are all racing 6f at Gulfstream.

Where should they be from Beluah?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Where should they be from Beluah?

That wasn't quite where I was going. I was thinking more that maybe there's something with the timing of races there.

[sumitas]

A disturbing column by Beyer that points to the many miles this sport needs to go to remove the cheaters, permanently. One can't really appreciate the horses fully when juicers ply their trade .

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Makes you wonder why Ms. Weber doesn't give Miracle Marty all her horses.
Why waste time and money with guys like Mott amd Malcolm Pierce.
Not to mention the biggest joke for a trainer in NY, John Kimmel.

You can't lump Kimmel in with the others; he actually won a stakes race at Saratoga with Remarkable Remy for Live Oak.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

When the owner was gunna retire M APPROVAL, Wolfson begged to "let me try " with the horse. Almost like he knew (for sure) that he had the answer.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Let's not forget the wonders that Wolfson has performed with Slewfoundmoney, another Live Oak horse who couldn't get out of her own way with Hall of Fame trainer Bill Mott.

Mott always thought highly of her. He just couldn't get her to run in the afternoon, for whatever reason. In her case, it was more 'psychological' than anything.

Still waiting for Wolfson to work his magic on Onoitsmymothernlaw.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Help us Steve please! Are you Milk or are you Meat? If you are going to defend guys like Dutrow and Wolfson and not call them out then why would you suggest Beyer's article is an important read?

Can you agree with Beyer and not denounce the likes of the chemists mentioned?

I won't pretend I know what is going on in specific barns with specific horses. I don't consider it my job to indict or defend, so in answer to your question, I'm 'parve'. You heard me ask direct questions of Wolfson yesterday about 'move-up performance' and you heard his responses. Find another medium in the game where the questions are even asked..

I know some guys are taking advantages and pressing the envelope and I know others are using every skill a horseman has to maximize performance legally. I'm sure that some efforts that many label 'cheating' are actually horsemanship, and others identified as horsemanship are likely cheating.

Everyone draws their own conclusions based on their level of knowledge and depth of understanding. I try to add to the information base by bringing out all I can from those that will discuss the subject openly.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Now you know who can replace Larry King (when he kicks it.)

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Seeing the re-breaking, pharmacologically-altered freak known as Curlin nose the likely 'roid-free Street Sense in that '07 Preakness was really the last straw for me. Been playing poker ever since.


Seeing the freak get absolutely trounced at the first-ever 'roid-free Breeders' Cup by those two young Euros will always be one of my fondest memories, though...

uh-huh. and the surface and fact that Curlin was clearly tailing off at the end of the year had nothing to do with it.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I won't pretend I know what is going on in specific barns with specific horses. I don't consider it my job to indict or defend, so in answer to your question, I'm 'parve'. You heard me ask direct questions of Wolfson yesterday about 'move-up performance' and you heard his responses. Find another medium in the game where the questions are even asked..

I know some guys are taking advantages and pressing the envelope and I know others are using every skill a horseman has to maximize performance legally. I'm sure that some efforts that many label 'cheating' are actually horsemanship, and others identified as horsemanship are likely cheating.

Everyone draws their own conclusions based on their level of knowledge and depth of understanding. I try to add to the information base by bringing out all I can from those that will discuss the subject openly.

I didnt realize you were Swiss..Sorry my bad

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I didnt realize you were Swiss..Sorry my bad

Actually, I thought it was an odd question. He gave the only answer anybody could(if they're in his situation.)

[Revidere]

Somewhere up there (or down there) Oscar Barrera is smiling on this topic.