Churchill deal steals 2010 BC from Belmont

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

What about all the people who are on the Board of Directors of Churchill and/or who are Breeders Cup Trustees who are ALSO on the Board of Directors at NYRA?

If you want to be critical, that's a fair place to start.

Critical about what, to whom? You made the same inane reference yesterday.. What are you talking about with this stupidity?

First, NYRA has a Board of Trustees. There are 2 Trustees (Lucy Young Hamilton and Dick Santulli) who are among 48 BCL Member/Trustees. What do those 2 people have to do with the BCL reneging on an agreement to hold the 2010 Cup at Belmont?

There are 0 members of the NYRA Board that are on the CDI Board of Directors...

And G. Watts Humphrey is the only BCL Director/Member/Trustee that sits on the CDI Board.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Critical about what, to whom? You made the same inane reference yesterday.. What are you talking about with this stupidity?

First, NYRA has a Board of Trustees. There are 2 Trustees (Lucy Young Hamilton and Dick Santulli) who are among 48 BCL Member/Trustees. What do those 2 people have to do with the BCL reneging on an agreement to hold the 2010 Cup at Belmont?

There are 0 members of the NYRA Board that are on the CDI Board of Directors...

And G. Watts Humphrey is the only BCL Director/Member/Trustee that sits on the CDI Board.

Phipps.

Sorry not to be up to your worthiness.

Inane, stupid. Huh.

So, you don't think the people who sit on the BoD at NYRA who have for-profit BC or CDI interests are discussion-worthy?

Yeah, right.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What?

Oh...you didnt know? Originally it was supposed to be Bush/bentsen and Dukakis/Quayle but the country dropkicked the plan so fast that Bush and Dukakis agreed to a trade (with Bush receiving a chad to be named later).

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

So, you don't think the people who sit on the BoD at NYRA who have for-profit BC or CDI interests are discussion-worthy?

Yeah, right.

You said ALL the people that sit on all these boards... ALL... As if there were a myriad.. When in fact there is a total of 4 overlapping among the 18 NYRA Trustees, 14 BCL Directors, 48 BCL Member/Trustees and 12 CDI Directors.

What contributions to BCL business do the 48 Member/Trustees actually have do you suppose? Other than that they get together at an annual meeting. What does Hamilton, Phipps and Santulli (NYRA) being among those 48 BCL Member/Trustees and Humphrey (CDI) being among the 14 BCL Directors have to do with what transpired? What? You drop an inference like there was a coup or kabal... Say what you are hinting at already as opposed to making vieled inferences.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What?

I thought you would like the metaphor of a Boston based former Gov. being slaughtered in an election........ I was searching for an example of a very bad idea and The Duke on a national level came to mind. The whole addition of the spelling bee champ was just an extra poorly placed piece of levity. What was it he spelled incorrectly on TV ....Potatoe? Tomatoe?.....something like that anyway the guys political life went up in smoke over a silly error like using those two names together in this thread

[PSH]

Would doing away with Breeders Cup day be a blessing in disguise?
Like Steve said earlier, it would certainly make the Belmont Fall Championship Meet and their signature races more meaningful. Also, we would potentially do away with all the top horses in the country skipping many of the best races during the year pointing to just one race. Sure, we would miss out on one day of the best racing on the planet. But, would that be made up more by our top horses potentially running more often in other races?

Not sure if the top horses would potentially run more often without the Breeders Cup. Probably not given the state of racing today....

PSH

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by PSH

Would doing away with Breeders Cup day be a blessing in disguise?
Like Steve said earlier, it would certainly make the Belmont Fall Championship Meet and their signature races more meaningful. Also, we would potentially do away with all the top horses in the country skipping many of the best races during the year pointing to just one race. Sure, we would miss out on one day of the best racing on the planet. But, would that be made up more by our top horses potentially running more often in other races?

Not sure if the top horses would potentially run more often without the Breeders Cup. Probably not given the state of racing today....

PSH

I certainly wouldn't shed a tear if the BC went away, but they're still giving out the money, so unless the entire BC system goes bankrupt, how exactly is Belmont going to draw horses away from the BC?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I certainly wouldn't shed a tear if the BC went away, but they're still giving out the money, so unless the entire BC system goes bankrupt, how is Belmont going to draw horses away from the BC?

Dirt I would guess......

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Scav

Dirt I would guess......

Really? People are going to forgo running in a $5,000,000 synthetic race to run in a $1,000,000 dirt race? And I'm pretty sure Churchill still has dirt.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Really? People are going to forgo running in a $5,000,000 synthetic race to run in a $1,000,000 dirt race? And I'm pretty sure Churchill still has dirt.

I thought this was Belmont vs Santa Anita...my bad....

[PSH]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I certainly wouldn't shed a tear if the BC went away, but they're still giving out the money, so unless the entire BC system goes bankrupt, how exactly is Belmont going to draw horses away from the BC?

No one can compete with the money. My point was what if there no longer was a Breeders Cup Day for whatever reason, and thus Belmont and the other tracks no longer had to compete with a Breeders Cup Day? What if the BC went away because no track would host it anymore or they went bankrupt like you suggest or some other reason...

PSH

[The Bid]

The best part of this 4 page thead is someone saying "handshake deal" and "horseracing" in the same sentence.

[Round Pen]

Personally Why not take the 2009 BC away from SA (it doesn't need to be there 2 years in a row) Give it to Belmont and have the 2010 at Churchill. TO me that makes a little sense But there doesn't seem to be alot of common sense used these days.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Kasept

You said ALL the people that sit on all these boards... ALL... As if there were a myriad.. When in fact there is a total of 4 overlapping among the 18 NYRA Trustees, 14 BCL Directors, 48 BCL Member/Trustees and 12 CDI Directors.

What contributions to BCL business do the 48 Member/Trustees actually have do you suppose? Other than that they get together at an annual meeting. What does Hamilton, Phipps and Santulli (NYRA) being among those 48 BCL Member/Trustees and Humphrey (CDI) being among the 14 BCL Directors have to do with what transpired? What? You drop an inference like there was a coup or kabal... Say what you are hinting at already as opposed to making vieled inferences.

I didn't write that. Not close. If you read what I wrote, you'd have saved yourself some time as I mentioned there were four. Not ALL.

There's no thinly veiled inference. Only the obvious one I mentioned which is that there are NYRA, NON-PROFIT NYRA, directors that have FOR-PROFIT interests that could be in conflict.

You don't see that? Fine. You can't perceive that? Fine. Are you stupid, inane or naive for thinking that way? Who knows.

Suppose you run a non-profit entity. You need a board. You can choose from a wide range of qualified people. But you choose to fill some seats with members who, among them, have FOR-PROFIT interests with, oh yeah, one of your two biggest competitors.

And you call me stupid?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Personally Why not take the 2009 BC away from SA (it doesn't need to be there 2 years in a row) Give it to Belmont and have the 2010 at Churchill. TO me that makes a little sense But there doesn't seem to be alot of common sense used these days.

Isnt there a contractual obligation already in place for 2009?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I didn't write that. Not close. If you read what I wrote, you'd have saved yourself some time as I mentioned there were four. Not ALL.

There's no thinly veiled inference. Only the obvious one I mentioned which is that there are NYRA, NON-PROFIT NYRA, directors that have FOR-PROFIT interests that could be in conflict.

You don't see that? Fine. You can't perceive that? Fine. Are you stupid, inane or naive for thinking that way? Who knows.

Suppose you run a non-profit entity. You need a board. You can choose from a wide range of qualified people. But you choose to fill some seats with members who, among them, have FOR-PROFIT interests with, oh yeah, one of your two biggest competitors.

And you call me stupid?

Number one.. You did say it:

Originally Posted by SentToStud

What about all the people who are on the Board of Directors of Churchill and/or who are Breeders Cup Trustees who are ALSO on the Board of Directors at NYRA?If you want to be critical, that's a fair place to start.

Number two.. You got the wrong Evans... The Evans on the NYRA board isn't the Bob Evans at Churchill.. So your head count is off. Your whole concept here is so misguided that's its' comical. "NYRA's bloated Board" you wrote? That's funny.. NYRA has less than 20 trustees for the biggest operation in racing (22 with the 4 officers), and the BCL has 14 Directors and 48 Member/Trustees for a two day event. But NYRA's board is bloated.


Your suggestion is that the three NYRA trustees, that happen to also be on the totally inconsequentioal 48 member BCL member/trustee board, have financial benefit to gain from the Cup backing out of the handshakes deal with NYRA... That's what you suggested, and it's so utterly preposterous as to be laughable. That those three need financial benefit off their BCL member/trustee positions is so outlandish that I must indeed be Gump-like in my myopia towards its' obviousness...


You're impossible to deal with on any topic NYRA-related.. Its' quite amazing.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by docicu3

I thought you would like the metaphor of a Boston based former Gov. being slaughtered in an election........ I was searching for an example of a very bad idea and The Duke on a national level came to mind. The whole addition of the spelling bee champ was just an extra poorly placed piece of levity. What was it he spelled incorrectly on TV ....Potatoe? Tomatoe?.....something like that anyway the guys political life went up in smoke over a silly error like using those two names together in this thread

I thought I was in bizzaro world

[Cannon Shell]

The Breeders cup isnt going bankrupt any time soon. They already have a rather large war chest and will be receiving another $1000 from me in a month...

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The Breeders cup isnt going bankrupt any time soon. They already have a rather large war chest and will be receiving another $1000 from me in a month...

are you giving them the $1000 or are they taking it?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

are you giving them the $1000 or are they taking it?

they will take it willingly. Actually it is $1500 for foal nominations.