W/E Beyers - REVISED Curlin 110

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

This is one of the funniest posts in the history of the world. I really mean that. I can't see though why Baffert would have considered for more than a nanosecond for the Belmont Stakes. Her loss in Louisiana didn't inspire confidence that she wanted to go further.

Hey, don't sell yourself short, I think your post is even funnier!

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Her loss in Louisiana didn't inspire confidence that she wanted to go further.

Neither did anything she did BEFORE that race....as I think about 40 of us tried to tell you at that time.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

But what everyone else didn't seem to understand was that I don't base on projections. Whether or not she wanted to run a single step futher than 8 or 8.5f was irrelevant at that point to me. What was relevant was that up to that point and distance, she had proven as much as anyone else in the crop had. But it's really not worth getting into this debate again.

Just one last thing though. Races at 10f aren't the only things I consider when evaluating. They also run races at distances of 6f, 7f, 8f, and 9f. I feel that at the distances that the majority of races are run for 3yo's, she's still arguably in the top five of 3yo's this year. I'd take her over Pyro if both were running in the Dwyer. Of course, I'd take that horse that beat her in her last over both of them. And the other horse that's beaten her, Proud Spell, I'd take her too. Both of the ones that have beaten her are no slouches and make cases for themselves to be considered top five 3yo's this year too.

Really?

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

But what everyone else didn't seem to understand was that I don't base on projections. Whether or not she wanted to run a single step futher than 8 or 8.5f was irrelevant at that point to me. What was relevant was that up to that point and distance, she had proven as much as anyone else in the crop had. But it's really not worth getting into this debate again.

Just one last thing though. Races at 10f aren't the only things I consider when evaluating. They also run races at distances of 6f, 7f, 8f, and 9f. I feel that at the distances that the majority of races are run for 3yo's, she's still arguably in the top five of 3yo's this year. I'd take her over Pyro if both were running in the Dwyer. Of course, I'd take that horse that beat her in her last over both of them. And the other horse that's beaten her, Proud Spell, I'd take her too. Both of the ones that have beaten her are no slouches and make cases for themselves to be considered top five 3yo's this year too.

SHE IS 100% top 5, and shes a champion, ppl fail to understand that

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Really?

i think i would take her over pyro today... my crystal ball says she'd cruise

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Spare me the champion stuff. There is just no way that she is top 5 right now. As it is, she's the 3rd best filly after Proud Spell and Zaftig and that's real debateable because I think Pure Clan is better at this point than Indian Blessing. And what about Akoma? Indian Blessing is nice, but the field has caught up with her this year.

shes top 5, even if its 5, shes still top 5

[jcs11204]

shes is better then pure clan... i can say that without a doubt

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I grant you that she may be the third best filly behind those two. But I just can't pick out two colts that I think are better than her. That's my thing. After Big Brown, I don't see another one.

the fillies are tons stronger this year, they are carrying the 3 yrold crop

[jcs11204]

i am also pretty sure that indian blessing has defeated proud spell 2-3 times head to head

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I grant you that she may be the third best filly behind those two. But I just can't pick out two colts that I think are better than her. That's my thing. After Big Brown, I don't see another one.

So, you think she would beat J Be K at 7F?

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I love your lists, so who are the top 5 3 year olds right now?

3 yr olds ? or 3 yr old filles ?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i am also pretty sure that indian blessing has defeated proud spell 2-3 times head to head

I shouldn't bother responding to you, but let me explain something to you, history is the guide to evaluating horses, and one thing that happens is that some horses move forward more than others. So, just because one horse finished ahead of another in the past does not mean that horse is always better than it's rival.

I'm glad you love the game, and I'm glad that you are enthusiastic, but you would be well served by listening more and typing less.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

3 year olds period which can include males and fillies. You said no doubt she is top 5.

in no order...

indian blessing
zatfig
proud spell
big brown
casino drive or mint lane i guess ? ? ? ? ?
whats yours ?

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I shouldn't bother responding to you, but let me explain something to you, history is the guide to evaluating horses, and one thing that happens is that some horses move forward more than others. So, just because one horse finished ahead of another in the past does not mean that horse is always better than it's rival.

I'm glad you love the game, and I'm glad that you are enthusiastic, but you would be well served by listening more and typing less.

i do listen...

[jcs11204]

why spare the champion stuff ? she is A CHAMPION, MOST OF these other 3 yr olds will never accomplish that title

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I still think Proud Spell would beat Indian Blessing in a race like the Test. But this is far beyond the point, which was the Belmont talk was silly and way off.

i love proud spell but at 7 furlongs i dont think she would have a chance.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

why spare the champion stuff ? she is A CHAMPION, MOST OF these other 3 yr olds will never accomplish that title

I'd say it's slightly more difficult to be an "official" champion among three-year-olds than it is among two-year-old fillies.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i love proud spell but at 7 furlongs i dont think she would have a chance.

you can't say that without knowing the makeup of the race, the size and quality and speed of the other runners, the location, track condition, etc, etc. handicapping isn't about picking out names from a list of entries.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

you can't say that without knowing the makeup of the race, the size and quality and speed of the other runners, the location, track condition, etc, etc. handicapping isn't about picking out names from a list of entries.

The Village Idiot begs to differ.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

And while I granted you that IB MAY be the third best 3yo filly, I'm not totally conceding that to you. Let me ask you something. Obviously, at 9f and maybe even at 8.5f, you select Proud Spell over IB. But what if they were racing at under 8f? Would you still select PS? To me, those races count too. Proud Spell can beat IB in the Oaks and in the Alabama. Maybe IB can beat PS in the Acorn and in the Test. I don't say that makes PS automatically better because she wins at longer distances.

There are 15 3 yo F G1's left this year.

2 are on turf
1 is sprinting on synthetic
2 are sprinting on dirt
10 are 8F or more on dirt.

Indian Blessing best get it done right quick as both dirt sprints are in the next six weeks.