Shocking news!!!

[Left Bank]

My turn! Here is what we bash her about,FL.Of the 6 times this horse ran a mile or more,he won ONCE,in the Southwest stakes with an easy lead,and a day Hard Spun was having a bad day.All the rest of them,He tired BADLY,especially after setting fractions in the Blue Grass that most of us could have walked faster.His only GRADED STAKES EARNINGS are a third place in the Rebel,where he was tiring BADLY AGAIN,and in a six furlong sprint,where he had an easy lead of 2.5 lengths and GAVE IT UP!!!!! There is nothing here at all to suggest he belongs in the derby or in any other triple crown races. He got into the Derby by the hair of his chinny chin chin because of defections by other horses,and once again,got his ASS HANDED TO HIM.What part of this do you not see in his PP's?Yet this woman continued to enter him in tougher races at further distances.It is quite clear to most of us here that how she enters this horse and other horses under her care,that she does not know how to read a condition book.And Somerfrost,she did NOT take her time to make a decision.She said to the media 2 days after the derby he was going in the preakness,so so much for that statement.
As far as the rest of your comments FL,I do not give a rats ass what you have to say.If you don't like it here,you are free to leave anytime.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

My turn! Here is what we bash her about,FL.Of the 6 times this horse ran a mile or more,he won ONCE,in the Southwest stakes with an easy lead,and a day Hard Spun was having a bad day.All the rest of them,He tired BADLY,especially after setting fractions in the Blue Grass that most of us could have walked faster.His only GRADED STAKES EARNINGS are a third place in the Rebel,where he was tiring BADLY AGAIN,and in a six furlong sprint,where he had an easy lead of 2.5 lengths and GAVE IT UP!!!!! There is nothing here at all to suggest he belongs in the derby or in any other triple crown races. He got into the Derby by the hair of his chinny chin chin because of defections by other horses,and once again,got his ASS HANDED TO HIM.What part of this do you not see in his PP's?Yet this woman continued to enter him in tougher races at further distances.It is quite clear to most of us here that how she enters this horse and other horses under her care,that she does not know how to read a condition book.And Somerfrost,she did NOT take her time to make a decision.She said to the media 2 days after the derby he was going in the preakness,so so much for that statement.
As far as the rest of your comments FL,I do not give a rats ass what you have to say.If you don't like it here,you are free to leave anytime.

Saying and doing are two different things, many many times a trainer will indicate a horse will run in this or that race only to announce later that would not be the case. The horse lost the grade one Blue Grass by a neck...it was indeed a slow pace but with a 4 horse photo AND the fact that the Derby winner finished second, why not try? Third in the Rebel to Curlin who accounted for most of that margain despite not being prepared for the start and racing wide (DRF comments), Third in the LeComte (G3) to Hard Spun despite bobbling at the break (DRF)...in fact, according to the DRF, the horse hadn't broken well in 5 of last 6 starts and still was 6/3-0-2-1. Certainly the 10f was a question but she had a horse that was performing as well as half the field. Certainly on paper, there was more justification for her horse than Imawildandcrazyguy...yet he ran big! Point is...you just don't know and as I said before, the Derby is every trainer's dream and MOST never make it...why in the world wouldn't she have the right to try???

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Fearless Leader

SB,

My point is merely this: The major portion of the commentary in this thread comes from both yourself and Cannon Shell, bashing Jamie and her management. The point is that she has made several hundred thousand dollars and won some stakes with a horse she paid $9,000 for. Her current overall statistics nonwithstanding, I think it is ethically questionable and somewhat unprofessional for you and Cannon Shell to publically bash her in such a fashion. As for the specific management of your horse, as I am neither charged with her care, nor an investor in her, where or when she races is not my province. However, If you don't appreciate someone commenting on your choices in such a fashion, why do you think it is appropriate to do the same?

Luck...

She got lucky with him. If you think it's anything besides that, I want to know what you're smoking.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Luck...

She got lucky with him. If you think it's anything besides that, I want to know what you're smoking.

I second that!!! And I think you need to look at the PP's a little differently than you do.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

I second that!!! And I think you need to look at the PP's a little differently than you do.

You guys are missing his point. It is a personal shot at Steve and I. Reread all his posts. I have no idea where it comes from or why but this is not about Tuefelsburg or Jamie Sanders.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Luck...

She got lucky with him. If you think it's anything besides that, I want to know what you're smoking.

My love, I have never agreed with you more -- even that time you said I was the coolest person you'd ever met in the car ride to Ft. Lauderdale

Really, my point is that you could every person who got a horse for 8K, and see the success rate. That she got a good horse for 8K is certainly a huge part of making her win percentage 2% instead of .07% -- and she's doing everything she can to take that good deal and run him into the ground.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You guys are missing his point. It is a personal shot at Steve and I. Reread all his posts. I have no idea where it comes from or why but this is not about Tuefelsburg or Jamie Sanders.

Well if you hadn't run a nag over her head, it would be a moot point and you'd be watching this conversation from the sidelines, right?

Right.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Well if you hadn't run a nag over her head, it would be a moot point and you'd be watching this conversation from the sidelines, right?

Right.

I am just so offended by that!!! LOL

[Danzig]

so then i'm taking it that Fearless won't be at churchill on the 25th, wearing a DT hat??

[Fearless Leader]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You guys are missing his point. It is a personal shot at Steve and I. Reread all his posts. I have no idea where it comes from or why but this is not about Tuefelsburg or Jamie Sanders.

YOU should RE-READ them again because it is obvious that YOU have missed the point.

In fact, YOU should RE-READ Steve's posts as well. To his credit, he is intelligent enough to understand my point and replied accordingly. As for the rest of the respondents...the idiotic comments speak for themselves.

[MisterB]

Fearless makes me look like an angel

[Linny]

last I knew they were looking at the Woody Stephens on the Belmont S undercard for T'berg. I have no issue with where she runs him or how often. She owns him! She also rides him every day. Now, I do think that he's better off at G2/G3. In the long run most of the Derby horses in any given year prove to be far below G1.

Were he mine, I'd be looking at races like the "G2/3 Derbies" in W. Virginia, Penn., Ohio etc. Once the Derby prep season destroys a decent % of the crop, those races are often ripe for picking.

As for his slow Blue Grass fractions, it seems that front runners who actually had "normal" early fractions held on BETTER. In fact horses that may be better than T'berg ran slower early and failed. Slowing the pace to (literally) trotting horse time, was not the way to win at KEE.

He's by J'berg so who knows, maybe he can turf. If he likes grass, it may be good for him with his slow starts. Since they usually go slower early and he has rateable speed, he wont have to work as hard as he does on dirt to make the lead.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Fearless Leader

YOU should RE-READ them again because it is obvious that YOU have missed the point.

In fact, YOU should RE-READ Steve's posts as well. To his credit, he is intelligent enough to understand my point and replied accordingly. As for the rest of the respondents...the idiotic comments speak for themselves.

Idiotic? Like comparing the handling of Sumwonlovesyou to Teuflesberg?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Idiotic? Like comparing the handling of Sumwonlovesyou to Teuflesberg?

I saw that....

While the board owned filly was placed, on form, way over her head in the KEE race....she also had never run on turf, had a right to improve on turf from a pedigree standpoint, and the reality is that there are no N2L claiming races on turf that time of year...so, if you want to run her on the turf at that point, you have to do so in a very tough spot.

After her defeat, she was wisely placed, and ran a nice race.

As far as Teuflesberg goes, there are a lot of soft Grade 3-ish stake races for 3-year-olds, that carry VERY inflated purses---he'd be a lot better served in those races....than getting his butt kicked in Triple Crown series races.

And I'm sure everyone but Fearless Leader knows this---though, he may know this as well.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Count me among those that are skeptical about such offers.

This is the entirety of my posts in this thread other than the title of "shocking news". In my mind it WAS shocking news that they decided on passing the Preakness in light of the comments of Tuefelesbegs trainer which strongly suggested that they were in. As for my other comment, which is quoted above, you seem to have been able to take a whole lot more out of that sentence than anyone else has. I am always willing to stand behind what I say regardless of the popularity or political correctness of it but in this case you seem to be the one taking the shots at me, despite my having said virtually nothing.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Fearless Leader

YOU should RE-READ them again because it is obvious that YOU have missed the point.

In fact, YOU should RE-READ Steve's posts as well. To his credit, he is intelligent enough to understand my point and replied accordingly. As for the rest of the respondents...the idiotic comments speak for themselves.

By the way your "point" was that the majority of this thread was commentary by Steve and myself. Since your "point" is so obviously in error being that I made a one sentence comment about the validity of an $3 million dollar offer for the horse, therefore was in no way, shape, or form the "majority" or in fact any comment about the horse or its connections or its placement. If you have a problem with me personally then just say whats on your mind. But as far as this topic or thread, you are way off base.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I saw that....

While the board owned filly was placed, on form, way over her head in the KEE race....she also had never run on turf, had a right to improve on turf from a pedigree standpoint, and the reality is that there are no N2L claiming races on turf that time of year...so, if you want to run her on the turf at that point, you have to do so in a very tough spot.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. I'm no trainer and I don't pretend to know why Chuck spotted her where he did at Keeneland. However I have seen it happen many times that a trainer will start off with a new aquisition by moving them up into a spot where they can't be claimed away. My thinking is that they are trying to assess what they have, to be able to draw their own conclusions about the horses current class and fitness, and in this case to also check out how the filly took to the grass, and all the while gaining some needed fitness. Whatever the reason was it was validated in the very next outing when she ran her best race to date, still being spotted higher than she ever had in the past I believe. There is just no way that it even remotely compares to Tueflesberg.

You make a very good point about Tueflesberg. Instead of being an alsoran in Gr1 events, there are numerous softer good money spots restricted to 3yo's.

[Fearless Leader]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

By the way your "point" was that the majority of this thread was commentary by Steve and myself. Since your "point" is so obviously in error being that I made a one sentence comment about the validity of an $3 million dollar offer for the horse, therefore was in no way, shape, or form the "majority" or in fact any comment about the horse or its connections or its placement. If you have a problem with me personally then just say whats on your mind. But as far as this topic or thread, you are way off base.

I suggest you RE-READ post #78. By the way, I don't have a problem with you personally, or professionally.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Fearless Leader

I think it is ironic that the people on this thread who are most critical of Jamie Sanders are the same wizards who ran a 15000n2l filly in an allowance race at Keeneland. At least her horse has won a cople of stakes and his earnings have far exceeded his acquisition cost. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Members have been suspended and banned for less.

Explain to me how you are not calling me and Steve out with this post especially in light of your other posts. The "wizards" I am assuming to be Steve and myself.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Fearless Leader

SB,

My point is merely this: The major portion of the commentary in this thread comes from both yourself and Cannon Shell, bashing Jamie and her management. The point is that she has made several hundred thousand dollars and won some stakes with a horse she paid $9,000 for. Her current overall statistics nonwithstanding, I think it is ethically questionable and somewhat unprofessional for you and Cannon Shell to publically bash her in such a fashion. As for the specific management of your horse, as I am neither charged with her care, nor an investor in her, where or when she races is not my province. However, If you don't appreciate someone commenting on your choices in such a fashion, why do you think it is appropriate to do the same?

Then you call us unethical and unprofessional.