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05-08-2007, 07:38 PM
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05-08-2007, 07:47 PM
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05-09-2007, 08:02 AM
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When you think of last years Whitney Handicap, you think of the old Chinese Proverb "three smelly tailors can defeat one Zhuge Liang." Perhaps Invasor hasn't yet matched the unparalleled brillance that the warlord stratigist displayed in 3rd century China.... But one smelly jockey and two pretty decent horses weren't quite enough to defeat one Invasor last summer. The premature inside move by Jara..to engage Flower Alley early, combined with eye-balling a Travers winner through 5f's in a stressful midrace battle, combined with having a fresh Sun King ready to mop up the lone survivor of that battle...compounded to give Invasor a legit excuse had he lost...but to his credit, he desperately fought off Sun King. Here's a great picture of them off the turn, eye-ball to eye-ball, both with ears pinned...Flower Alley leaning on him a little, about to finally crack...and have horses like We Can Seek and West Virgina blow past him in the very late stages. Sun King's ready to pounce. 
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05-09-2007, 08:32 AM
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Out of curiosity DrugS, how long are you going to keeping harping on the imaginary bad ride on Flower Alley? While obviously he didn't enjoy the cleverest of trips, he got absolutely drowned in the race, as well as his two subsequent efforts. Clearly it wasn't the trip that did him in. Horses get less than clever rides all the time....do you bet all these horses back even when they don't run a step?
You act as though it was Flower Alley's poorly timed ride in the Whitney that was responsible for his complete disintegration. Considering the subsequent events it was an inconsequential blip on his doomed career.
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05-09-2007, 08:35 AM
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Flower Alley had a perfect ride in the Whitney
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05-09-2007, 08:37 AM
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The " internet " for " I can't defend my position. " Passive aggressive doesn't suit you.
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05-09-2007, 08:41 AM
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While the whole point of my post was to drop the name Zhuge Liang....as I had to try and top my Gordon Bitner Hinckley homerun of a few days ago...I think you misunderstood everything I said about the race---and maybe have been saying all-along.
It was Jara who gave the bad ride--when he moved prematurely to engage Flower Alley....the only thing that compromised FA at all, is that he was eye-balling a good horse for a long time, and that led to him quiting badly late. He'd have finished better had Jara ridden the race correctly, though, maybe or maybe not managing a 3rd place finish. While Flower Alley did run two horrible races after that....I still believe he and Invasor were both somewhat compromised by being hooked up for so long.
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05-09-2007, 08:44 AM
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The next thing I know...you will be telling me that I thought Street Sense got a horrible ride in the Derby.
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05-09-2007, 08:51 AM
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You're opinion on the Derby was formulated before it was run. If Street Sense won it was because of a seeming perfect trip and if he lost it was because he was the phony you claimed he was. Yawn.
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05-09-2007, 09:06 AM
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You've offered nothing to suggest otherwise.
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05-09-2007, 09:08 AM
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Had FA not been in an excellent early position...does Jara show the bad judgement, and move very early to negate the other joint-favorite from having a very good trip?
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05-09-2007, 09:14 AM
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I challenge you to reorder the Derby field based on if so-and-so had gotten a better trip. If I hear Curlin had a bad trip once again I'll puke. It didn't matter, he wasn't finishing in the exacta either way.
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05-09-2007, 09:17 AM
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05-09-2007, 09:22 AM
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I love when horses get lucky trips and people say "they made the trip."
It warms my heart. When you pass 16 horses without leaving the rail, on a slightly rail-favoring track, you can't rationally say the horse gets sole credit for "making the trip." Of course Street Sense gets some credit for accelerating fast enough to get through before holes got to close on him.... He's already proven what he's capable of (fastest Beyer in BC Juvie history) when he gets that trip.
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05-09-2007, 09:40 AM
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DrugS
The bottom line, and this is really tiresome, is that only one horse in the Derby ran arguably as well as Street Sense and that's obviously Hard Spun. Good trip or not, nobody was even close, and Street Sense was, under no circumstances, worse than second best. In the BC Juvenile, where obviously he had a great trip, he won by ten lengths and was clearly the best horse regardless.
There are many perfect trip winners that can be argued under different circumstances would have not even been close to winning. Street Sense is simply not one of these. Nobody is denying that Street Sense had a good trip. However, you seem to be the only one in denial that he's clearly at the top of this class ( even if he may have mild company ).
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