Post Position Draw List

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

no it doesn't matter where Storm In May starts, and there is no one exact best post. However there are some that are nearly impossible in my view.

You would have no issues with Scat Daddy in PP20, and view his chances as just the same as any other pp?

I just think its not like other races because of trying to push so many horses through the same space.

I would be all for the total random system up to a point, but 20 horses is ridiculous.

Of course I'd have an issue, but the reality is is that each of these horses is in the gate because they (supposedly) deserve to be there. It's only fair that it's a random drawing... perhaps they should all just take their ball and go home since Street Sense and Scat are the highest in earnings.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Buffymommy

I think Hard Spun; Street Sense or Scat Daddy will be in the 9 hole Cajun.

All 3 are on my tickets regardless. I will be a happy camper if one of them ends up there.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by jman5581

So, I see, no one else is capable of doing this ever again... fair enough.

You have reading comprehension problems I see...don't attempt to belittle my intelligence by putting words in my mouth...there are no absolutes in racing, certainly not in the Derby...every one of the 20 horses entered CAN win, a horse CAN win from any post position...the point I make is that it has proven to be extremely difficult from the three inside positions...if Curlin is the horse some think he is, he will win from anywhere...hell, the way some talk, he would win starting from his stall!

[jman5581]

So who said more winners have come from pp1 than any other?

[jman5581]

Is this true, anyone know?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by jman5581

Is this true, anyone know?

I'll let you know in a second...

[jman5581]

So pp2 is not such a bad post after all

[jman5581]

1 either for that matter, I assume that's the 2nd highest overall?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Of course I'd have an issue, but the reality is is that each of these horses is in the gate because they (supposedly) deserve to be there. It's only fair that it's a random drawing... perhaps they should all just take their ball and go home since Street Sense and Scat are the highest in earnings.

Since there are 20 horses you've got some that have 10-15 times the graded earnings as the ones that just manage to scoot by on the bottom of the list. Yet they are all treated equally for the pp draw?

I just think its unfair that a horse like Storm In May, a horse that should be more than 100/1 to win the race, should chose in front of the top money earners. And by the same token I think it would have been unfair if Street Sense, the most qualfied horse to run in the race accoring to the earnings, would have had the misfortune of drawing 20th.

[slotdirt]

Do those numbers include the days pre-starting gate?

[-BT-]

it's a damn shame horses like Storm in May and Teuflesberg are gonna be taking away the best PP's from actual contenders

-bt-

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

You have reading comprehension problems I see...don't attempt to belittle my intelligence by putting words in my mouth...there are no absolutes in racing, certainly not in the Derby...every one of the 20 horses entered CAN win, a horse CAN win from any post position...the point I make is that it has proven to be extremely difficult from the three inside positions...if Curlin is the horse some think he is, he will win from anywhere...hell, the way some talk, he would win starting from his stall!

There are others on the other extreme that talk like he has almost no chance whatsoever based simply on the fact he didn't race at 2.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by -BT-

it's a damn shame horses like Storm in May and Teuflesberg are gonna be taking away the best PP's from actual contenders

-bt-

I couldnt agree more..When i first seen that Dominican and AGS are picking where they are I was like WTF..I cant catch a break, unless its a broken arm or leg..

[MarkyD]

can one of you tell me who was the last winner to come from the last box.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by jman5581

1 either for that matter, I assume that's the 2nd highest overall?

Those numbers are completely misleading as the inside posts were dominant early in Derby history but since the reconfiguration of the track, the inside has been considered "death" by horsemen. As stated earlier, Ferdinand won in 86 from the #1 post, before that was Chateaugay in 1963. Regarding the outside, Gato Del Sol won from the 18 in 1982 and the gelding Clyde Van Dusen won from the 20 in 1929.

[jman5581]

Monarchos was second from the outside...right? I know, it's not outside, but...who cares.

[slotdirt]

Nobody's ever won from 19 I don't believe.

My question is, back in the old days with the flying start, it seemed like post position was less of an issue than a great start.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

There are others on the other extreme that talk like he has almost no chance whatsoever based simply on the fact he didn't race at 2.

Not me... I'm more concerned with only 3 races total and all grouped in a short period facing questionable competition. He has a chance but I'll not bet him...that's far from saying he has almost no chance.

[robfla]

Originally Posted by MarkyD

can one of you tell me who was the last winner to come from the last box.

1929 Clyde Van Dusen 20
1982 Gato Del Sol 18
1995 Thunder Gulch 16
1999 Charismatic 16
2000 Fusaichi Pegasus 15
1996 Grindstone 15

[MarkyD]

Originally Posted by jman5581

Monarchos was second from the outside...right? I know, it's not outside, but...who cares.

Thats close enough.

I have Spun and Hunter as futures. Not that bad, 1 out of 2