Lukas Handicapping Angle

[Unbridled]

Originally Posted by monipenny

You have stated your case tirelessly about Lukas running lame horses and having horses eased far more times then his elite company, but do you really think he does what he pleases with these horses without consulting his big time owners. I don't think so? This game is all about results and winning and if you can not identify with that then I digress. Rup- if you like analogies so much then here is one for you- Joe Paterno arguably one of the greatest college coaches and classy guys is basically told win or else in 2004; well program had two great back to back years. His team last year flew under the radar the whole season until the year end Bowl games. Now with Lukas- if someone had to light a fire under his asss to get him to start producing don't you really think he would do this under most circumstances. Yes by injecting steroids into horses and yes by injecting their knees and running them through the lameness they can not feel, but will eventually break down and go lame. The driving force in this game is all about results- Why then would Coolmore give this 13 million Forestry filly too Pletcher? It's results plain and simple. Now if they hit the jackpot with this filly the residual value of Forestry goes through the roof. Who owns Forestry? You guessed it Coolmore.

Coolmore paid 16 million for a Forestry colt, not a filly. The Jones' raced Forestry and own him. He stands at Taylor Made.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Monipenny, Lukas' biggest ownners the last few years have been and Bob and Beverly Lewis. You could not have better ownes than that. The Lewises are not demanding. They don't put pressure on Lukas. They let him do whatever he wants.
I do agree with you that some of the lessser trainers may get pressured by demanding owners. These trainers may be pressurd to do things that they don't want to do. That is not the case with Lukas.

[Scurlogue Champ]

He just finally got a win at Churchill.

Ex Caelis

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Unbridled

Coolmore paid 16.2 million for a Forestry colt, not a filly. The Jones' raced Forestry and own him. He stands at Taylor Made.

Exactly. He's also the leading 3rd crop sire of stakes winners and sire of Discreet Cat. I'm not surprised that Coolmore paid over 16 million for one of his colts. Do you know who the dam of that colt is by?

[Rupert Pupkin]

You're not surprised that someone paid $16 million for a horse at a 2 year olds in training sale? You should be shocked. Everyone there was shocked. The previous record was $5 million. If the horse would have sold for $6 million, even that would have seen surprising. To see a horse sell for $16 million was shocking.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You're not surprised that someone paid $16 million for a horse at a 2 year olds in training sale? You should be shocked. Everyone there was shocked. The previous record was $5 million. If the horse would have sold for $6 million, even that would have seen surprising. To see a horse sell for $16 million was shocking.

Nothing surprises me in this day and age... $16 mil is pocket change to an organization like Coolmore.

[Unbridled]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Exactly. He's also the leading 3rd crop sire of stakes winners and sire of Discreet Cat. I'm not surprised that Coolmore paid over 16 million for one of his colts. Do you know who the dam of that colt is by?

Unbridled, what a coincidence! Here's a link to his pedigree:

http://www.fasigtipton.com/catalogs/2006/0228/153.pdf

I was wrong, they paid $16 million.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Unbridled

Unbridled, what a coincidenc! Here's a link to his pedigree:

http://www.fasigtipton.com/catalogs/2006/0228/153.pdf

I was wrong, they paid $16 million.

That colt has one hell of a pedigree. I hope to God he can run... LOL

[Rupert Pupkin]

I'm not going to go into any details about the transaction for that Forrestry colt. If someone else who is in the business wants to chime in and explain what actually happened they can. I will tell you one thing. They did not pay $16 million for that horse. There is a lot of funny business that goes on at these sales. Pretty much everyone in the business knows that they did not pay $16 million for that horse. I'll leave it at that.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I'm not going to go into any details about the transaction for that Forrestry colt. If someone else who is in the business wants to chime in and explain what actually happened they can. I will tell you one thing. They did not pay $16 million for that horse. There is a lot of funny business that goes on at these sales. Pretty much everyone in the business knows that they did not pay $16 million for that horse. I'll leave it at that.

LOL!! Richi I know as well, but I'm not going there either. Made for great press though!!!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Oracle, How is Wonder Lady Ann doing? I know you said she had a breathing problem last time. Did it require surgery? Were they able to fix it?

[Scurlogue Champ]

I would like to hear the story of what they really paid.

How about a PM?

Come on Richie and Oracle, I'm dying for the true story. Why does it need to stay secret?

[Rupert Pupkin]

I'll e-mail you guys. Give me your e-mail addresses.

[Scurlogue Champ]

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[Danzig]

i took the bidding war on the forestry colt to just be more of the feud that started a couple years ago between those two. be interesting to know the rest of the story.
oracle, you have my email...i am very discreet, would like to hear about the deal behind the deal.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Unbridled,
I tried to answer your message but it wouldn't work for some reason. It kept saying that I wasn't loggen in. Anyway, you were right on the money. What you said in the e-mail was correct.

Richie hook me up, bigler25@hotmail.com

The way that money is transferred in horse racings is one of the weirdest in all of sports. But like Oracle said---$16mm makes for a good story. I think it would be safe to assume that you can cut that $16mm in half--lol.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Alright Monipenny I will e-mail you. This is the last e-mail I am doing on the subject. My hotmail acoount does not save my sent messages so I have to keep re-typing this e-mail.