Big $ MTH "uber meet" experiment moving forward

[randallscott35]

Lowering the takeout is what needs to be done across the board. The dirty little secret is that the pretty horses don't run around in circles unless they are bet on.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Scav

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...monmouth-dates

Most important thing I grabbed from the article was the last sentence



Yeah, and where is that gonna come from. Whoa

Doubling the handle will be tough but NOT impossible.. A lot of marketing needs to be done and horseman have to help promote the sport(monmouth)..It's a opportunity to save racing and make it significant 50 days a year.. They don't have to have more then one 1 mil day a week.. I think this will hurt AP and WB hardest not SPA.. The bigger NY shops have always used the Monmouth for the B team so that wont change.. Also the big NY owners arent going to care if there Mdn Spl is 56k at Spa and Monmouth's is 81k. They will continue to race their best in SPA anyway.. I do think AP and WB will have their producted dug into.

[MaTH716]

You would think that the purse money would draw more (and better) horses to the track resulting in fuller fields. Maybe they could even draw some A/E lists for races and in the event of bad weather, you wouldn't be stuck with the unbetable 3-4 horse races seen unfortunately way to much down there. Overall the racing product will be better and you would think that would lead to better betting opportunities as well. I don't think the handle will be the problem.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Doubling the handle will be tough but NOT impossible.. A lot of marketing needs to be done and horseman have to help promote the sport(monmouth)..It's a opportunity to save racing and make it significant 50 days a year.. They don't have to have more then one 1 mil day a week.. I think this will hurt AP and WB hardest not SPA.. The bigger NY shops have always used the Monmouth for the B team so that wont change.. Also the big NY owners arent going to care if there Mdn Spl is 56k at Spa and Monmouth's is 81k. They will continue to race their best in SPA anyway.. I do think AP and WB will have their producted dug into.

AP is already screwed this year, they have supposed lost two trainers (Donnie Von Hemel and Steve Hobby) which is about 45-50 horses, and Hector Magana is now running a training farm down in Ocala.

Bring on the Golden Gate type racing, I am all for it.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

You would think that the purse money would draw more (and better) horses to the track resulting in fuller fields. Maybe they could even draw some A/E lists for races and in the event of bad weather, you wouldn't be stuck with the unbetable 3-4 horse races seen unfortunately way to much down there. Overall the racing product will be better and you would think that would lead to better betting opportunities as well. I don't think the handle will be the problem.

For the fans its a great concept..I think it ultimately makes NY horseman and NY based operations significantly stronger. Who do you think will be winning these pots? I have a hunch every sharp trainer will have an eye in the condition book and most won't be NJ trainers. Again, for usfan its great news, I really don't care about the viablity of NJ racing or its horseman, I just care about the racing.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by freddymo

For the fans its a great concept..I think it ultimately makes NY horseman and NY based operations significantly stronger. Who do you think will be winning these pots? I have a hunch every sharp trainer will have an eye in the condition book and most won't be NJ trainers. Again, for usfan its great news, I really don't care about the viablity of NJ racing or its horseman, I just care about the racing.

You better step up your handle to support NJ Racing.....

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Scav

AP is already screwed this year, they have supposed lost two trainers (Donnie Von Hemel and Steve Hobby) which is about 45-50 horses, and Hector Magana is now running a training farm down in Ocala.

Bring on the Golden Gate type racing, I am all for it.

It can't be good news for AP or WB.. WB's pots are twice AP's so AP now needs to reinvent its place in Summer racing..

[Scav]

Originally Posted by freddymo

It can't be good news for AP or WB.. WB's pots are twice AP's so AP now needs to reinvent its place in Summer racing..

Woobine will be fine, 75k maidens and there is even more money being put into the kiddy there. Nowhere in North America will you find that unless you have a PA bred!

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Scav

You better step up your handle to support NJ Racing.....

Monmouth is unreal especially busy. It's just a sweet place to go, as is AP. their most likely will be a deal with the casinos at some point. I like the little 21 day fall meet shipping over to Monmouth a lot.. There was no point to the Meadowlands TB meet (although the turf course was cool). The area is empty in the fall and those will be nice dates and days to watch some racing live. Those are good races because you will still have a bunch of NY based B teamers around and they still race for OK money

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Scav

Woobine will be fine, 75k maidens and there is even more money being put into the kiddy there. Nowhere in North America will you find that unless you have a PA bred!

But its rubber and some guys will now choose dirt and 75k to commence careers.. I do agree 75k will keep everyone plenty happy. The point is now there is a dirt option at the same price point. Chuck likes the shore every since whaling has been outlawed, he can bring sun screen on and be back for last few..Its onlylike 2 miles from beach if that

[Scav]

Originally Posted by freddymo

But its rubber and some guys will now choose dirt and 75k to commence careers.. I do agree 75k will keep everyone plenty happy. The point is now there is a dirt option at the same price point. Chuck likes the shore every since whaling has been outlawed, he can bring sun screen on and be back for last few..Its onlylike 2 miles from beach if that

With those types of purses, you are going to see some insane claiming races. you will see 50k claimers being run for 15k because there will be a 50k pot attached to it.

While I am sure we would look for spots there, I am guessing we would take the low lying fruit at Philly

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Monmouth is unreal especially busy. It's just a sweet place to go, as is AP. their most likely will be a deal with the casinos at some point. I like the little 21 day fall meet shipping over to Monmouth a lot.. There was no point to the Meadowlands TB meet (although the turf course was cool). The area is empty in the fall and those will be nice dates and days to watch some racing live. Those are good races because you will still have a bunch of NY based B teamers around and they still race for OK money

The best thing about the Meadowlands (at least for me) was the night racing. Agree that it was nice having a pristine turf course so late into the season too, but as far as logistics you're right. Not to mention it has to hurt them that they have to be dark on Sunday afternoons due to Giants and Jets home games.
Who knows, maybe that little fall meet will lead them to making a push for the BC again. Even though I was kind of against it, I thought that they did a great job the first time and would love to see them get another crack with hopefully much better weather conditions.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

The best thing about the Meadowlands (at least for me) was the night racing. Agree that it was nice having a pristine turf course so late into the season too, but as far as logistics you're right. Not to mention it has to hurt them that they have to be dark on Sunday afternoons due to Giants and Jets home games.
Who knows, maybe that little fall meet will lead them to making a push for the BC again. Even though I was kind of against it, I thought that they did a great job the first time and would love to see them get another crack with hopefully much better weather conditions.

Not according to Satish!

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by philcski

Not according to Satish!

I don't know what his beef was, but for the amount of rain that they had it still turned out to be a wonderful event (at least according to me). I really believe that if it wasn't the Breeders Cup there would have been at least one day if not two days of racing canceled because of the monsoon that rolled through.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Scav

With those types of purses, you are going to see some insane claiming races. you will see 50k claimers being run for 15k because there will be a 50k pot attached to it.

While I am sure we would look for spots there, I am guessing we would take the low lying fruit at Philly

How many 15k claimers you think they are looking to wite 2 a month for NJ breds? You are 100% percent right people will be dropping 50k claimers into 25k's like water.. How many real 50k claimers are there in ALL of NA racing anyway that class of animal is gone.

[randallscott35]

http://drf.com/news/article/111309.html

[Scav]

80k maidens...So comedy!

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Scav

80k maidens...So comedy!

I think its great.

[Alan07]

I would have to think places like Churchill will be affected more that Woodbine. In addition, you can probably forget about any ''decent'' (if at all racing) at Suffolk, which would force them to out of business at the end of the year, if not sooner. At least half the stables are expected to be empty at Suffolk this year.

[freddymo]

Suffolk is closing great news