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[freddymo]

Yep that Whitney was a real "Humdinger" I was on the edge of my seat..I think the real winner was the Beattie's who own a Yongonuska 1/2 to Bullsbay who went on to win a stakes at Monmouth last week. With Bullsbay crushing that wonderful rendition of the Whitney, that 1/2 became all so much more valuable after she won her 5f overnight stake.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I thought the race was totally unbettable.

However, Jose Lezcano's ride on Smooth Air was one of the worst rides you'll ever see in a major race.

Bullsbay won the race with the dreamiest of dream trips ... and had Lezcano rode his typical smart race he would have been the one who inherited the dream trip. Instead he wanted to get pinballed in a 3 way pace battle - with two other faster horses - through very solid fractions.

Yeah

He was probably best. Of course, the fact that he finished BEHIND the other two he was 'dueling' with probably works a bit against that theory.

Don't you think that Rose GUNNED a bit too soon and maybe get the worst of it in relation to Macho Again?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I thought Rose timed his move flawlessly.

You don't get passive in a situation like that and let closers get the jump on you when speed will be stopping in front of you.

You're on a long striding son of Tiznow .. and everything is falling in your lap - Rose would have been stupid to wait any longer.

I don't care if Smooth Air won by 8 or finished last by 45 ... he should have had a once in a lifetime perfect trip .. and he instead ended up in speed duel and was bounced around and bumped like a pinball in the first turn. That's what a bad ride is .. the result doesn't matter.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Very nice work!

Thank you Spence.

I'm assuming you meant to prop my typical stellar post and not Hockey's fine column.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I thought Rose timed his move flawlessly.

You don't get passive in a situation like that and let closers get the jump on you when speed will be stopping in front of you.

You're on a long striding son of Tiznow .. and everything is falling in your lap - Rose would have been stupid to wait any longer.

I don't care if Smooth Air won by 8 or finished last by 45 ... he should have had a once in a lifetime perfect trip .. and he instead ended up in speed duel and was bounced around and bumped like a pinball in the first turn. That's what a bad ride is .. the result doesn't matter.

This is a good way to use your horse unnecessarily. That's why there's the HUGE distinction between the rest of the jockey colony and Dominguez. The others ride YOUR way, with is the standard in the industry, and Dominguez rides the correct way. This 'getting the jump on them' trip handicapping method is mind numbing to me; let alone, WRONG.

So, your point about Smooth Air is that he wins with a perfect trip? Do you typically bet horses that can only win when they get everything their own way? I don't.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

So, your point about Smooth Air is that he wins with a perfect trip? Do you typically bet horses that can only win when they get everything their own way? I don't.

I didn't bet him and never said he wins with a perfect trip.

I'll tell you this .. had Smooth Air been ridden with a morsel of sanity and got the dream trip ... I'd have been salivating to bet against him the next time.

I'm not exactly fired up to bet against Bullsbay next time .. because many will view his win as a fluke.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

This is a good way to use your horse unnecessarily. That's why there's the HUGE distinction between the rest of the jockey colony and Dominguez. The others ride YOUR way, with is the standard in the industry, and Dominguez rides the correct way. This 'getting the jump on them' trip handicapping method is mind numbing to me; let alone, WRONG.

So you would have preferred Rose wait and let the closers come to him or pass him on his outside - while he probably gets a long son of Tiznow in a jackpot behind a trio of complete stoppers?

He was 18/1 on the toteboard going into the gate ... and a 2/5 favorite real odds to win that race after 5 furlongs.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

So you would have preferred Rose wait and let the closers come to him or pass him on his outside - while he probably gets a long son of Tiznow in a jackpot behind a trio of complete stoppers?

He was 18/1 on the toteboard going into the gate ... and a 2/5 favorite real odds to win that race after 5 furlongs.

The difference is one of degree and not of kind. Rose can ride the identical race positionally but he doesn't need to put the horse in a drive on the turn. The front runners were coming back and all he needs to do is let the horse go to them IN HAND. Loose rein him. This way, he makes the lead on his own without being asked and then has all he needs to hold off the closers. In fact, if he runs it this way, he doesn't completely gut the speed and his own horse at the same time, and make Macho Again look like he's actually doing something. Rose took a situation where he got a setup where the horse could've won ridden out, never being asked, and ended up using him excessively. I'm sure Motion is happy with the win and has no issues with the ride, however. And, this morning, he was on the show going on about how well the horse was doing. So, maybe he needed the extra work.

[VOL JACK]

I dont think Ive seen a horse run around a far turn like that Street Sense in the BC Juvy and Ky Derby.
I thought Rose moved a touch to soon while watching the race...I thought Macho was gonna swallow him up in deep stretch. But the ground that Rose saved while Robbie was in the 4 path around and off the turn, turned out to be the deciding factor. IMO

[Bogey]

Hockey, nice work

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

The difference is one of degree and not of kind. Rose can ride the identical race positionally but he doesn't need to put the horse in a drive on the turn. The front runners were coming back and all he needs to do is let the horse go to them IN HAND. Loose rein him. This way, he makes the lead on his own without being asked and then has all he needs to hold off the closers. In fact, if he runs it this way, he doesn't completely gut the speed and his own horse at the same time, and make Macho Again look like he's actually doing something. Rose took a situation where he got a setup where the horse could've won ridden out, never being asked, and ended up using him excessively. I'm sure Motion is happy with the win and has no issues with the ride, however. And, this morning, he was on the show going on about how well the horse was doing. So, maybe he needed the extra work.

Well....This is why GOD made carryovers. I hope someone here got the one at Toga today, because yesterday was brutal