Much respect to Mine That Bird

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by tiggerv

Very surprised Larry Jones ran him back today.

Larry Jones doesn't own him.

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Larry Jones doesn't own him.

Very true.

[Bigsmc]

If nothing else, Musket Man is the most consistent of the 3yr old crop...

[cowgirlintexas]

Maybe he grabbed another quarter

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

And if they would have kept RA out of the race we'd be looking at a triple crown try. How crazy is that to think about????

on the flip side, if the filly had run in the derby...?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Kasept

It's you. Time was square. 1:55.0.

You have to go to the Schaefer (4th) for the previous dirt route.

thanks, I dont follow that track enough to say off the top of my head.

its going to be a very legit race by the numbers then if it had that fast of a pace and final time. The first three must be very legit horses.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'm done debating over the millionth excuse for this overhyped turf horse. The freaking horse was beaten 26 lengths in a terrificly exciting race, and we're talking about how much better he is than that. I'd rather talk about a horse that actually ran today. Have a nice day.

POTN 1,700,000 in winnngs, he runs one horrible race in his career and you say he's not as good as we say.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

POTN 1,700,000 in winnngs, he runs one horrible race in his career and you say he's not as good as we say.

Only one?? I see a few more than that in his PP's,and you can add today's race.He looks like another Lava Man,only can win in Socal.

[Gauchos0522]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

POTN 1,700,000 in winnngs, he runs one horrible race in his career and you say he's not as good as we say.

One horrible races and countless races that were solid at the very best...He has still yet to run a legitimatly fast race regardless of earnings.

[Payson Dave]

Mine That Bird has now twice made a pretty impressive sustained run...

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

thanks, I dont follow that track enough to say off the top of my head.

its going to be a very legit race by the numbers then if it had that fast of a pace and final time. The first three must be very legit horses.

Just was talking to Serling about the number. Using that earlier race and Musket Man as the key, look for Rachel to earn a 104-105 here, Bird a 103 and Musket a 100. Something around that scale... Actually fits Thoro-Graph as well now that I think about it where Rachel likely came back off her -4 to about a -1, Bird a pair up and Musket a slight new top.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Only one?? I see a few more than that in his PP's,and you can add today's race.

sure he has lost early in career but not this bad of a race . he's not 26 lenghts worse than these horses just a bad race some bumping good excuse as any

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

sure he has lost early in career but not this bad of a race . he's not 26 lenghts worse than these horses just a bad race some bumping good excuse as any

Maybe on an artificial surface he is not.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

sure he has lost early in career but not this bad of a race . he's not 26 lenghts worse than these horses just a bad race some bumping good excuse as any

He Su__ks!Period!!

[ArlJim78]

a terrific performance by the filly, a gutsy run from Mine That Bird to make it close, Musket Man proves he is solid and belongs near the top of the crop,
yet Pioneer of the Nile somehow still dominates the discussion?

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

on the flip side, if the filly had run in the derby...?

Would have been just what racing needs right now. A filly that might have been the next Triple Crown Winner...

Kinda feel bad for Mine That Bird.

Now yet another year of "what if's" and "might have been's"

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

a terrific performance by the filly, a gutsy run from Mine That Bird to make it close, Musket Man proves he is solid and belongs near the top of the crop,
yet Pioneer of the Nile somehow still dominates the discussion?

This is what I'm saying. I'll never understand it. I'm done talking about slow horses, I'd rather talk about horses that actually run fast races and don't need 48 billion excuses.

[GPK]

Certianly all Pioneer of the Nile needs is 1 1/2 and the sweeping wide turns of Belmont, right?

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by GPK

Certianly all Pioneer of the Nile needs is 1 1/2 and the sweeping wide turns of Belmont, right?

Maybe so

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

a terrific performance by the filly, a gutsy run from Mine That Bird to make it close, Musket Man proves he is solid and belongs near the top of the crop,
yet Pioneer of the Nile somehow still dominates the discussion?

He shouldn't dominate the discussion but his detractors are just being ridiculous. No matter the surface, he's not 26 lengths worse than Mine that Bird. Be honest. He's not worse than Luv Guv and Flying Private. He was better than Papa Clem on synthetic and in the Derby and today was destroyed by that horse. Perhaps he's not top 20 of his class on dirt. Perhaps he's best of his class on synthetics. But when a horse runs a race that's obviously well below his par after being very consistent up til then.....they are just being silly. His Derby didn't validate his backers and this Preakness didn't validate his detractors.