Wow, someone actually gets it...

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The RMTC and its goals have not progressed fast enough for many simply because of the political nature of their mission. They concentrated on the penalty phase first before the research was properly done which is backwards. To think that this Congressional inquiry will not go down that same path is amusing.

Steroids dont enhance performance but you can believe whatever you want.

What you and most others are not getting that this whole thing is NOT about helping horseracing. It is about helping Ed Whitfield and helping further his wife's organizations agenda. Horseracing is not the primary goal here, it is the vehicle to get what this guy wants.

No, I get the politics. My wife worked for a U.S. senator for several years. I get it very well.

The RMTC politics are there because they have no power and are funded by the very groups whose behavior they are are trying to change and those groups do not want change.

And, yes, I do thing steroids enhance performance. Do you really think Lyle Alzado would have been just as good off the gook?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That looks like east LA

No, if it was, there would be some chickens, goats, baby strollers etc. Hooves if you come to L.A., you can visit Paul Pierce's favorite restaurant (Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles.)

http://www.roscoeschickenandwaffles.com/

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No, if it was, there would be some chickens, goats, baby strollers etc. Hooves if you come to L.A., you can visit Paul Pierce's favorite restaurant (Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles.)

http://www.roscoeschickenandwaffles.com/

Whats wrong with Chicken and waffles?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by GPK

Whats wrong with Chicken and waffles?

i am lookign forwadr to checking one of these places out when I am out there, they have one near Del Mar?

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://news.bloodhorse.com//viewstory.asp?id=45763

"As an aside, Thayer, had harsh words for a congressional hearing on medication that is scheduled in Washington, D.C. on June 20. Thayer said he believed regulation of drugs in horse racing is a state issue that should not involve the federal government and that the panel is “objectionable.”

Thayer labeled the hearing a “dog-and-pony show” and questioned whether Congress would have the ability to regulate horse racing when it could not help resolve the nation’s economic problems.

His statement led to a verbal clash with Whitfield, whose husband, Rep. Ed Whitfield, is one of the organizers of the congressional hearings. Both Thayer and Whitfield are Republicans."

Maybe if we got the government involved in the investigation of the NBA refs, David Stern's fixing of the NBA lottery and the disappearance of the "traveling violation" in the professional game they would forget about their desire to explore meds in racing a subject they can't possibly know less about.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Scav

i am lookign forwadr to checking one of these places out when I am out there, they have one near Del Mar?

Your yankee ass cant handle that kinda food

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GPK

Whats wrong with Chicken and waffles?

http://www.roscoeschickenandwaffles.com/video.html

Nothing...I'm serious, he can go there and get some good stuff. Larry King is eating it up. I like where Snoop makes a point of the jelly having to be WELCH'S GRAPE JELLY..LOL...I can't go there much, cuz I would grow.

[ArlJim78]

this thread is all over the map. thankfully someone mentioned chicken and waffles so now my interest is back up.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

http://www.roscoeschickenandwaffles.com/video.html

Nothing...I'm serious, he can go there and get some good stuff. Larry King is eating it up. I like where Snoop makes a point of the jelly having to be WELCH'S GRAPE JELLY..LOL

When I clicked on the link, I thought it was a flashback to the movie "Friday"

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GPK

When I clicked on the link, I thought it was a flashback to the movie "Friday"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPJQb...eature=related

Yea, that movie is a masterpiece. " Eating up all the pig feet"

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

No, I get the politics. My wife worked for a U.S. senator for several years. I get it very well.

The RMTC politics are there because they have no power and are funded by the very groups whose behavior they are are trying to change and those groups do not want change.

And, yes, I do thing steroids enhance performance. Do you really think Lyle Alzado would have been just as good off the gook?

Lyle Alzado is not a horse. Chocolate kills dogs. Different species, Different uses, different dosages. And if you get the politics than you have no excuse for not seeing this for what it is. It is not about the issues nearly as much as it is about the agenda.

[Kasept]

http://www.kentucky.com/254/v-print/story/435717.html

Piece dealing specifically on Damon...

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Lyle Alzado is not a horse. Chocolate kills dogs. Different species, Different uses, different dosages. And if you get the politics than you have no excuse for not seeing this for what it is. It is not about the issues nearly as much as it is about the agenda.

You left out the fact the RMTC and NTRA are run funded by people who will resist change. The Stamps kid. Van Whoopwhoop. On and on.

Bubba's been eating chocolate for years. No problems. Yet.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Lyle Alzado is not a horse. Chocolate kills dogs. Different species, Different uses, different dosages. And if you get the politics than you have no excuse for not seeing this for what it is. It is not about the issues nearly as much as it is about the agenda.

Maybe the question should be posed a different way: if you were to take the steroids away, would performance decline?

If the answer is "no," then a lot of trainers who have stated that they use steroids because they would be at a competitive disadvantage if they don't use them (Tagg and Amoss said so publicly the week of the Belmont) are sadly mistaken.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

You left out the fact the RMTC and NTRA are run funded by people who will resist change. The Stamps kid. Van Whoopwhoop. On and on.

Bubba's been eating chocolate for years. No problems. Yet.

Are you kidding? The RMTC was designed to be the hammer to make changes, hence the penalties phase being handled first.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Maybe the question should be posed a different way: if you were to take the steroids away, would performance decline?

If the answer is "no," then a lot of trainers who have stated that they use steroids because they would be at a competitive disadvantage if they don't use them (Tagg and Amoss said so publicly the week of the Belmont) are sadly mistaken.

If I had vitamins that helped my horses recover from a race faster than people without those same vitamins would I not have an advantage? If i has special hay that kept weight on nervous fillies and others did not have it, would i not have an advantage? Would performance decline in an individual horse? Possibly. If we took away gastrogard from certain horses I know for a fact that their performances will decline. People dont understand the issue of anabolic steroids and their effects in horses versus humans. If you feel the need to be outraged or mad than turn your anger on the racing commissions which never put in effect regulations concerning them. But now they are overcompensating and casting stones at horseman like we are the bad guys. It is not a black and white, good guys versus bad guys issue yet it will most definitely be portrayed that way during this Federal hearing especially in light of the 'witness' list.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Are you kidding? The RMTC was designed to be the hammer to make changes, hence the penalties phase being handled first.

Look, I support them but they are the biting dog with rubber teeth. I have been through that document a couple times and it is indeed complex. Perhaps too much so.

As far as steroids enhancing or not enhancing performance, I have read enough to believe they do.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

As far as steroids enhancing or not enhancing performance, I have read enough to believe they do.

And I have seen enough to know that they they dont.

Not to mention supposed performance enhancers that are legal and available to all dont really give an advantage to anyone do they? Ban the legal ones and the guys willing to use the illegal ones have a big advantage. Wouldnt that be a much greater issue? If Lasix was eliminated then the under the counter meds will give a huge boost to guys willing to use them, no? If you take away all legal tools to deal with horses issues then what are you supposed to do about the issues?

[ArlJim78]

you'd think with all this performance enhancement going on that we'd see some actual good performances.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

you'd think with all this performance enhancement going on that we'd see some actual good performances.

Ain't that the truth.