My horse of the year scenarios

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You are right must be the oats that get move them up 10 days after you claim them for 20 and they crush 35's.

have a heart it's the single biggest issue in racing today

It is the single most misunderstood issue in racing today.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Wow this is good stuff..Let's call Farish and Howard and let them know what they bred and why he is a runner now maybe they can buy him back and stand him next.

I really don't mean to be a jerk but seriously do you believe anything that you wrote above. You think that the horse is starting to come around because he is bred to get get 10 to 14f's? Don't you think Lanesend has a an idea how Mambo's tend to be? Isn't a bit more plausible that N.Howard is not a cheater because his client can't and the new owners can?

the horse had been coming around incrementally for Howard for some time.
The Del Mar race was not any kind of breakout performance according to any figures i have seen. It was in fact in line with how he was performing for Howard. SC's best TG# remains his last race at Churchill Downs for Howard.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I believe that US Americans would say that South Africans need maps to find where Hard Spun would be if he uhm and Osama were trained by Carl Nafzger's children.

which is a problem as most u.s. americans don't have maps. but i guess the iraq does.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Like what?

allbetter-zine...

[miraja2]

COULD Student Council be receiving some "extra-special" medication? Yes, given the record of his trainer, that obviously has to be considered as one possibility.
But I think people that automatically assume he is just because he went from competing against allowance horses to beating "G1" and "G2" horses are forgetting something important. Right now, the line between top-level allowance horses and graded stakes horses is sometimes so blurry, I am not even sure it is there at all. It doesn't always require shady behavior for a so-called "allowance horse" to win some of these big stakes races, given the low quality of the fields.
It isn't like this horse suddenly became Man O' War. He has yet to break 2:05 in either of these last two races. But when you are racing against the AP Arrows of the sport, it just doesn't take a whole lot to win.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by miraja2

COULD Student Council be receiving some "extra-special" medication? Yes, given the record of his trainer, that obviously has to be considered as one possibility.
But I think people that automatically assume he is just because he went from competing against allowance horses to beating "G1" and "G2" horses are forgetting something important. Right now, the line between top-level allowance horses and graded stakes horses is sometimes so blurry, I am not even sure it is there at all. It doesn't always require shady behavior for a so-called "allowance horse" to win some of these big stakes races, given the low quality of the fields.
It isn't like this horse suddenly became Man O' War. He has yet to break 2:05 in either of these last two races. But when you are racing against the AP Arrows of the sport, it just doesn't take a whole lot to win.

This is exactly right. It's the same reason why I had no problem with them running Funny Cide in grade one and two races when most people were saying he needed to be dropped into lower company. These days, if I had a horse that I thought was an upper level allowance horse, I'd run exclusively in stakes because the stakes ranks are so thin and the few that are there are so inconsistent that sooner or later, your day will come. Or in the case of Student Council, your days. The same horses that SC just beat, Tiago came back to beat them too with a 106 figure, the type of figure that good 3yo's are able to run in the spring.