JAZIL....Most Overrated horse in the history of horse racing....

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Nice picture! You rule Steve

And the pic is turned into an avatar I see! I spent a lot of time with Jazil at Palm Meadows last winter and then at Churchill when he and Flashy Bull were 3 stalls down from Sweetnorthernsaint and Pork Chop at Churchill. He's an exceptionally pleasant colt and as you can see, has the 'look of eagles'... He'll win today.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Kasept

And the pic is turned into an avatar I see! I spent a lot of time with Jazil at Palm Meadows last winter and then at Churchill when he and Flashy Bull were 3 stalls down from Sweetnorthernsaint and Pork Chop at Churchill. He's an exceptionally pleasant colt and as you can see, has the 'look of eagles'... He'll win today.

LOL, coincidentially I made it my avatar a day or two ago, I had a few others that were him too, but you couldn't tell who it was.

Part of the reason he is my favorite horse running is because he does look so pleasant and happy with the world and McLaughlin said he was a very trusting horse...he's got the qualities you look for in people really.

I wish I got to meet him, lucky you!

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Kasept

And the pic is turned into an avatar I see! I spent a lot of time with Jazil at Palm Meadows last winter and then at Churchill when he and Flashy Bull were 3 stalls down from Sweetnorthernsaint and Pork Chop at Churchill. He's an exceptionally pleasant colt and as you can see, has the 'look of eagles'... He'll win today.

He's a smart looking horse; in fact, he looks smarter than most people I know (including myself).

Fortunately, I have a 2:00 meeting scheduled in Aventura with nothing after.

What to do... what to do.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i dont know if i mentioned this but i think he has a 0 percent chance to win tommorw.

I think his chances of winning are slightly better than that.

[NTamm1215]

This thread really is astounding. The poster found it necessary to start a whole new thread after making a casual mention in another thread. Why?

The first thing you need to be overrated is fanfare. Jazil doesn't have any. He is ranked 8th in Watchmaker Watch for older horses, with horses in front of him like Showing Up, Surf Cat, and Sun King.

The poster attacks the quality of the Belmont field. Bluegrass Cat happened to exit that race and run pretty nicely at Monmouth. Sunriver was also a very useful horse who suffered a serious injury in the Jim Dandy. Steppenwolfer is no slouch, but the bottom line is Jazil beat everyone who showed up for the Belmont. He also outfinished 15 horses in the Derby, which is no small feat, especially making an inside move in a field of 20.

I don't know the purpose of PointGiven1985's one-man crusade against Jazil, but to dismiss him and even come close to saying Corinthian is a much better horse is absolute lunacy. You want to talk about overrated, how about Corinthian.

Good luck to those wagering today and I can guarantee you now I am rooting for Jazil even more.

NT

[Gander]

While I dont like Jazil's chances at the win today, I would give him far better than zero chance at the win.

I dont really agree that he is overrated. I dont think hes a great horse by any means (and i may be way off for saying so) but I wouldnt call him overrated. I do agree he won the Belmont against one of the worst triple crown fields assembled in recent history, but I think most people also see that. Barbaro and Bernardini were clearly heads and shoulders above the rest of the 3 year olds and their not being in this race really took the excitement out of it. Bluegrass Cat was no world beater and he was the only other horse who really did any running in this strange race.

I think Jazil gets the respect he deserves but certainly not a ton more.

[NTamm1215]

The Belmont field in 2000 was infinitely worse than the Belmont in 2006. That slobberknocker won by Commendable was like a N1X Allowance race. I guess it had some similarities to the 2006 Belmont, but at least it didn't take Jazil an eternity to get around the Belmont oval like it did Commendable.

NT

[Gander]

I thought both fields were horribly weak for a Triple Crown race. I'll give Bluegrass Cat credit, he did run an awesome race in the haskell. I was blown away by that race and rank it 3rd behind the Derby and Preakness for the best performances by 3 year olds this year. But Todd Pletcher horses do that frequently, run races that absolutely wow you. Who knows what could have come of Bluegrass Cat had he stayed healthy? Still wouldnt consider him all that much off of one very good performance.

[boswd]

How is Jazil overrated? I have never read one article or read one post on any boards where people were overhyping or were claiming he is the second coming. He got proper accolades winning the Belmont nothing crazy. He was never ever mentioned in the same breathe as Barbaro or Bernardini for that matter. He has alway been regarding as a dangerous deep closer. Nothing more nothing less. So I don't get this whole he is the most overrated horse in history. I can think of a couple other ones that come to mind in that category, Fug Peg comes to mind and out of last years 3 yr old class Brother Derek was the most overrated horse by far. That horse has done nothing to live up to hype he had going into the Derby or any race after that for that matter. He's turning out to be a mule.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by boswd

How is Jazil overrated? I have never read one article or read one post on any boards where people were overhyping or were claiming he is the second coming. He got proper accolades winning the Belmont nothing crazy. He was never ever mentioned in the same breathe as Barbaro or Bernardini for that matter. He has alway been regarding as a dangerous deep closer. Nothing more nothing less. So I don't get this whole he is the most overrated horse in history. I can think of a couple other ones that come to mind in that category, Fug Peg comes to mind and out of last years 3 yr old class Brother Derek was the most overrated horse by far. That horse has done nothing to live up to hype he had going into the Derby or any race after that for that matter. He's turning out to be a mule.

Jazil was a bit overrated pre-derby, but he hasn't been since IMO. I've always like Steppenwolfer better (for a closer), but Jazil is a nice horse too.

[Buffymommy]

I like Jazil for today. Corithian may do it, but I really root for Jazil. I like this horsie. I have said it before and I will say it again. He is a nice horse who will win some more races before he is done. He is not my new "RH10" love, but I do like the horse. I am glad that his connections decided to run him as a four year old.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

LOL, coincidentially I made it my avatar a day or two ago, I had a few others that were him too, but you couldn't tell who it was.

Part of the reason he is my favorite horse running is because he does look so pleasant and happy with the world and McLaughlin said he was a very trusting horse...he's got the qualities you look for in people really.

I wish I got to meet him, lucky you!

Oh come on, you know you just thought he looked cute splashing through the puddles on Wood Memorial day.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The Belmont field in 2000 was infinitely worse than the Belmont in 2006. That slobberknocker won by Commendable was like a N1X Allowance race. I guess it had some similarities to the 2006 Belmont, but at least it didn't take Jazil an eternity to get around the Belmont oval like it did Commendable.

NT

I think the field Afleet Alex defeated in his Belmont victory was less stellar as well.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Oh come on, you know you just thought he looked cute splashing through the puddles on Wood Memorial day.

Those puddles were bigger than him................

[boswd]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Jazil was a bit overrated pre-derby, but he hasn't been since IMO. I've always like Steppenwolfer better (for a closer), but Jazil is a nice horse too.

I wouldn't say he was overrated going into the Derby, he was one of those horse where people pointed to when looking beyond Bro. Derek and SNS. The whole "what other horses have a legitment shot here today" catagory.

[slotdirt]

There have been a number of less than stellar Triple Crown fields over the last several years. The 2000 and 2005 Belmont editions, as mentioned, were definitely weaker than was this year's Belmont.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The Belmont field in 2000 was infinitely worse than the Belmont in 2006. That slobberknocker won by Commendable was like a N1X Allowance race. I guess it had some similarities to the 2006 Belmont, but at least it didn't take Jazil an eternity to get around the Belmont oval like it did Commendable.

NT

Guess who was eligible for a NW1X when they ran the Belmont last year? That's right, Jazil. I do agree the 2000 running was hideously bad but last years running was nothing to write home about.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

LOL, coincidentially I made it my avatar a day or two ago, I had a few others that were him too, but you couldn't tell who it was.

Part of the reason he is my favorite horse running is because he does look so pleasant and happy with the world and McLaughlin said he was a very trusting horse...he's got the qualities you look for in people really.

I wish I got to meet him, lucky you!

I could

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I think the field Afleet Alex defeated in his Belmont victory was less stellar as well.

Jazil's time actually compares quite well with the times of the Belmonts from the past ten years. It was faster than Editor's Note, Touch Gold, Victory Gallop, Commendable, Sarava, Empire Maker, and Afleet Alex. It was right around the time for Birdstone and Lemon Drop Kid. The only one significantly faster in the prior ten years was Point Given. I'm not really sure where the whole idea that the race was so slow comes from. The Beyer figure came in low but it was just a made up figure anyways since most years that is the only race run at Belmont around two turns.

[Gander]

You could make the case for the 2005 Belmont being weak as a field, but I think Afleet Alex was clearly a great horse and very unlucky not to have been a Triple Crown winner, as he was 5 lengths the best in the KY Derby.

Jazil is a good horse who was in the right place at the right time. If you run the 2006 Belmont 5 times, there is a good chance you get 4-5 different winners.

If you run the 2005 Belmont Stakes 5 times, well I think its hard pressed to say that any of those would have been near Afleet Alex. He was a machine.