What's the latest on the $16M dollar Monkey?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

at Wynn, the last time I checked, he's STILL just 75-1 to win the Derby.

Dreaming of Anna, for reference is 100-1.

I will take action on either of these horses for anyone interested. I'll give you 500-1 on The Monkey and 100-1 on Anna.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I will take action on either of these horses for anyone interested. I'll give you 500-1 on The Monkey and 100-1 on Anna.

ha! i'd almost be tempted to take a shot on Anna, but not with any significant amount of money -- and it would just be a homer bet, not a realistic deduction from handicapping.

i just find it insane that the undefeated and untested 2YO filly champion is a longer shot than an overpriced horse who has never started and is currently relaxing on a farm somewhere.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

ha! i'd almost be tempted to take a shot on Anna, but not with any significant amount of money -- and it would just be a homer bet, not a realistic deduction from handicapping.

i just find it insane that the undefeated and untested 2YO filly champion is a longer shot than an overpriced horse who has never started and is currently relaxing on a farm somewhere.

Really should be 5000-1 !

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Really should be 5000-1 !

Who? Anna or the Monkey? I hope you mean the Monkey.

If I had bigger pockets I'd be betting Anna in future wagers -- but I won't get to Vegas, and will have a hard time getting someone to take action on her for $20

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Who? Anna or the Monkey? I hope you mean the Monkey.

If I had bigger pockets I'd be betting Anna in future wagers -- but I won't get to Vegas, and will have a hard time getting someone to take action on her for $20

send me the $20

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

send me the $20

In "play" money so the Bykster does not run afoul of the authorities

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

In "play" money so the Bykster does not run afoul of the authorities

Right! I just think that if she has a productive Spring, she's got the kind of connections that would throw her into the mix in the Derby instead of the Oaks. Calabrese is one gutsy dude, and even if she could hit the board in the Derby her residual value would skyrocket, wouldn't you think? Once she's in the gate for the Derby, anything can happen. That'd be worth a wager for me.

However, I wouldn't wager on the Monkey with m worst enemy's money right now -- it's simply impossible.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Right! I just think that if she has a productive Spring, she's got the kind of connections that would throw her into the mix in the Derby instead of the Oaks. Calabrese is one gutsy dude, and even if she could hit the board in the Derby her residual value would skyrocket, wouldn't you think? Once she's in the gate for the Derby, anything can happen. That'd be worth a wager for me.

However, I wouldn't wager on the Monkey with m worst enemy's money right now -- it's simply impossible.

I dont think that hitting the board in the Derby would raise her value that much. Winning the Derby would be another matter but I cant see that happening.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont think that hitting the board in the Derby would raise her value that much. Winning the Derby would be another matter but I cant see that happening.

Obviously, it's a longshot -- but I see it this way. If she goes to the Derby, it means that she's likely done pretty well this Spring...on dirt. They aren't going to throw her in there off of huge losses just because they can based on her Juvenile Fillies earnings.

With that said, she gets in the gate, it's because she's racing well. At that point, her odds will be far below 100-1 if she has been running well enough to get her connections to take her in the first place. If she's been running that well, I would likely have a saver/homer bet on her in the Derby anyway, so why wouldn't I take 100-1 when it's at least twice as much as I'd get on her in the Derby?

It's just like taking 100-1 that she's going to have a good Spring.

My logic may be atrocious in this case, but it certainly makes sense in my head.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

how long do you have to wait for your payout?

dont know about that one. When I hear that he retires, I'll go in to see if I get paid out. They could hold onto the bet until he dies, but paddy power are usually good about bets like this and its only a small bet..

[Ghostzapperfan]

Originally Posted by Gander

Random facts on Monkeys:

Chunky Monkey has to be the worst flavor for an ice cream ever created by Ben & Jerrys.

Monkey Puzzle was a pretty good horse and occasionally popped on the turf, I think Canon Shell use to train him.

In the movie Blood Diamond, Leonardo Dicaprio kills a monkey because he is hungry.

That's all pretty funny. You are a real Barrel of Monkeys...

ALostTexan

Well who knows if they horse is a bust or not. They didnt buy him to make millions racing. They bought him for the shed. Now if doesnt race but produces a couple of champions then he might be worth a couple of million. Who knows--this story has yet to end.

[smartyalex]

Originally Posted by brockguy

i backed the green monkey to never win a race at 4-1 when he was bought by coolmore. at the same time he was just 33-1 to win the KY Derby.

Where are you getting these "future bets?" Bodog????

[AeWingnut]

I remember Van Nistelrooy. They paid $6.4 mil for that horse and he never did much and they retired him before he was 3. I thought he looked beautiful.


The Green Monkey will never race. It's off to New Zealand or some other never never land. They just don't need the money.

Now... if I could just convince them to fight over my Illinois bred. (I don't have one but if I did...)

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I remember Van Nistelrooy. They paid $6.4 mil for that horse and he never did much and they retired him before he was 3. I thought he looked beautiful.


The Green Monkey will never race. It's off to New Zealand or some other never never land. They just don't need the money.

Now... if I could just convince them to fight over my Illinois bred. (I don't have one but if I did...)

Van did a bit though.. he won a G2 and 3rd in a G1 i think..he did look nice

at least he did better than Tasmanian Tiger $6.8 mill, won a maiden in his 3rd start, then got gelded and was sold to Hong Kong..

and thens there's Snaafi Dancer!!

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah, but logically speaking you would think that they bought him for so much because they figured he would have earned at least some money on the track. That way they could justify a high stallion fee and get nice mares. I would say the fact that the horse did not make it to the races as a 2 year old does not bold well for his racing career. Now this is actually the opposite of the way I usually think, but my assumption was that they figured they could get some blacktype as a juvenile and run up to the 3 year old season and retire, because I cannot imaging the insurance on a horse bought for $16 million or whatever he was really bought for. No races as a juvy and no works really. I'd say he makes maybe a start or two....maybe. This was a pissing match between Coolmore and Godolphin plain and simple.

Oh I agree 100%. I dont think we see TGM race.