Lets put a group together and bid....

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Exceller

Why charge more than $2-3 when you are going to rip them off at the window and on the scales. NYRA needed a detention barn because drugs were so out of control. No horseman or gamblers have ever been cheated? Read the NYRA report I attached. It is basically run by organized crime.

Rip them off at the windows? That's quite a distortion of the facts. NYRA has more than competitive take-out rates and the only reason they raised WPS 1% recently was in order to be able to institute a rebate program. While this program is not agressive it is certainly better than any Magna is offering. You know Magna....the group with a higher takeout than NYRA.

As for the incident you refer to concerning weights or the " scales ". There is no evidence of any wongdoing, and an analysis of the data from the state has many discrepencies, such as riders they claimed were riding that were not even there on the days claimed, and also fails to recognize the rules and legal weights both before and after races. The charges were so scurrilous that a grand juror charged Spitzer with grandstanding.

As for claiming horsemen and gamblers have been cheated. When and where? When you make outlandish claims it helps to offer some back-up.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

See what I mean? NYRA is not run by organized crime. The indivuals like Charlie Heyward, Bill Nader, Steve Duncker, and the recently deceased Peter Karches are/were honorable men with high degress of intelligence and integrity. Believe any propaganda you want. Whatever. What time is the book burning today?

I guess the attorney general just made up stuff. NYRA is the money laundering capital of america. Nice to know drug dealers and thieves have such good friends in NYRA.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Rip them off at the windows? That's quite a distortion of the facts. NYRA has more than competitive take-out rates and the only reason they raised WPS 1% recently was in order to be able to institute a rebate program. While this program is not agressive it is certainly better than any Magna is offering. You know Magna....the group with a higher takeout than NYRA.

As for the incident you refer to concerning weights or the " scales ". There is no evidence of any wongdoing, and an analysis of the data from the state has many discrepencies, such as riders they claimed were riding that were not even there on the days claimed, and also fails to recognize the rules and legal weights both before and after races. The charges were so scurrilous that a grand juror charged Spitzer with grandstanding.

As for claiming horsemen and gamblers have been cheated. When and where? When you make outlandish claims it helps to offer some back-up.

Are you too lazy to read the report from the Attorney Generals office that I attached. Plenty in there about what they did.

[Gander]

Very easy, if you dont like the way NYRA runs things, dont bet their tracks. Nobody is forcing you to I am sure. Why even bother?

[Suffolk Shippers]

Im in. I will throw in a few G's, thats about all I have

The NYRA is about as corrupt as you can get. The reason they want to be a "not for profit organization" is because they wont have to answer to anyone. Horse Racing is a business and it shouldnt be run by a group that is not for profit. Plus as a not for profit they do not have to pay taxes. No way should the NYRA be not for profit. That is a JOKE.

Stronach has all the money in the world to buy the New York Tracks. His MEC isnt doing all that well because they keep taking one time charges that hurt their bottom line. Just read the MEC end of year report from 2005 and it explains all that.

Churchill only charges $2 to get in the doors with the exception of Derby and Oaks day. You can get in on Derby day for $40. Travers is costs $25 to get it. So only $15 more for the biggest horse race in the world. That is not a bad deal at all.

Churchill also doesnt need a detention barn because of their new drug policy. So a detention barn is pointless in Kentucky.

[blackthroatedwind]

I have read far more about this situation than you, I know far more people involved in this situation than you, and I know enough not to make outlandish and libelous claims such as you have.

Back whichever dog you like in this fight but don't expect to make irresponsible accusations here without getting a response.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Rip them off at the windows? That's quite a distortion of the facts. NYRA has more than competitive take-out rates and the only reason they raised WPS 1% recently was in order to be able to institute a rebate program. While this program is not agressive it is certainly better than any Magna is offering. You know Magna....the group with a higher takeout than NYRA.

As for the incident you refer to concerning weights or the " scales ". There is no evidence of any wongdoing, and an analysis of the data from the state has many discrepencies, such as riders they claimed were riding that were not even there on the days claimed, and also fails to recognize the rules and legal weights both before and after races. The charges were so scurrilous that a grand juror charged Spitzer with grandstanding.

As for claiming horsemen and gamblers have been cheated. When and where? When you make outlandish claims it helps to offer some back-up.

NYRA takes out 6% more than Churchill when it comes to exotic bets. I believe, and please correct me if I am wrong, but NYRA takes out 25% on exotics and Churchill takes out I believe 19%.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

The NYRA is about as corrupt as you can get. The reason they want to be a "not for profit organization" is because they wont have to answer to anyone. Horse Racing is a business and it shouldnt be run by a group that is not for profit. Plus as a not for profit they do not have to pay taxes. No way should the NYRA be not for profit. That is a JOKE.

Stronach has all the money in the world to buy the New York Tracks. His MEC isnt doing all that well because they keep taking one time charges that hurt their bottom line. Just read the MEC end of year report from 2005 and it explains all that.

Churchill only charges $2 to get in the doors with the exception of Derby and Oaks day. You can get in on Derby day for $40. Travers is costs $25 to get it. So only $15 more for the biggest horse race in the world. That is not a bad deal at all.

Churchill also doesnt need a detention barn because of their new drug policy. So a detention barn is pointless in Kentucky.

NYRA is " not for profit " as per the statute set by the State.

Try to learn at least one fact.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

The NYRA is about as corrupt as you can get. The reason they want to be a "not for profit organization" is because they wont have to answer to anyone. Horse Racing is a business and it shouldnt be run by a group that is not for profit. Plus as a not for profit they do not have to pay taxes. No way should the NYRA be not for profit. That is a JOKE.

Stronach has all the money in the world to buy the New York Tracks. His MEC isnt doing all that well because they keep taking one time charges that hurt their bottom line. Just read the MEC end of year report from 2005 and it explains all that.

Churchill only charges $2 to get in the doors with the exception of Derby and Oaks day. You can get in on Derby day for $40. Travers is costs $25 to get it. So only $15 more for the biggest horse race in the world. That is not a bad deal at all.

Churchill also doesnt need a detention barn because of their new drug policy. So a detention barn is pointless in Kentucky.

AMEN. Non-profit=Scam. Let's stop putting the Travers in the same category at the derby too. The derby is so far superior to the travers it isn't even funny.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

NYRA takes out 6% more than Churchill when it comes to exotic bets. I believe, and please correct me if I am wrong, but NYRA takes out 25% on exotics and Churchill takes out I believe 19%.

wrong and wrong, depends on teh exotic bet you are speaking of, all have different takeouts. I'm done here. I notice the guys who dontattend Ny racing and live in other states have the most "knowledge" on the topic. I just cant take levels of stupidity like I am witnessinig on this thread. Later guys, Im busy this afternoon anyway.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

NYRA is " not for profit " as per the statute set by the State.

Try to learn at least one fact.

Sure. The organized crime groups paid off the politicians. What is the purpose of a non-profit group? If it is to lose money than NYRA deserves its non profit status.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

wrong and wrong, depends on teh exotic bet you are speaking of, all have different takeouts. I'm done here. I notice the guys who dontattend Ny racing and live in other states have the most "knowledge" on the topic. I just cant take levels of stupidity like I am witnessinig on this thread. Later guys, Im busy this afternoon anyway.

Too busy to read the report? Love the non-profit scam they have there too. What a joke.

Originally Posted by Exceller

AMEN. Non-profit=Scam. Let's stop putting the Travers in the same category at the derby too. The derby is so far superior to the travers it isn't even funny.

Well funny you should mention that. You can see the travers in the clubhouse for 5 bucks. Derby will run you are least 200 to get upstaairs and Im being generous. LOL!!! Whos scamming who here? Are you blind?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

NYRA takes out 6% more than Churchill when it comes to exotic bets. I believe, and please correct me if I am wrong, but NYRA takes out 25% on exotics and Churchill takes out I believe 19%.

Churchill does have a lower takout than NYRA ( I was discussing Magna, which apparantly you realize you can't defend as you have gone off on a tangent which I never claimed ) though the numbers you refer to are for three horse or three horse multi-race bets ( and beyond ).

Churchill is in Kentucky, which in case you are unaware, is a racetrack friendly State. Also, Churchill Downs is only open for three months a year for racing and thus do not have to support purses for twelve months as NYRA does.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

NYRA is " not for profit " as per the statute set by the State.

Try to learn at least one fact.

Come on Black, you are smarter than that. The NYRA lobbied to have that not profit statute in place in order for them to run the tracks. It is all political. But whoever runs the tracks should not be not for profit.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Well funny you should mention that. You can see the travers in the clubhouse for 5 bucks. Derby will run you are least 200 to get upstaairs and Im being generous. LOL!!! Whos scamming who here? Are you blind?

The Travers is nothing special. Trainers often opt to go to the Haskell. It so rarely includes the west coast it isn't even funny. The KY Derby is world known and televised everywhere. What are we watching the Travers on ESPN2 this year. Get real.

Dont forget the 10 dollar cokes and hot dogs on derby and oaks day, as well as the admission on those days.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Churchill does have a lower takout than NYRA ( I was discussing Magna, which apparantly you realize you can't defend as you have gone off on a tangent which I never claimed ) though the numbers you refer to are for three horse or three horse multi-race bets ( and beyond ).

Churchill is in Kentucky, which in case you are unaware, is a racetrack friendly State. Also, Churchill Downs is only open for three months a year for racing and thus do not have to support purses for twelve months as NYRA does.

Exactly. KY has numerous owners run its tracks. Business people. NYRA runs all three tracks and it isn't even a business. It is typical non-profit government corruption.

Originally Posted by Exceller

The Travers is nothing special. Trainers often opt to go to the Haskell. It so rarely includes the west coast it isn't even funny. The KY Derby is world known and televised everywhere. What are we watching the Travers on ESPN2 this year. Get real.

Shame you are watching cheap claimers and nothings the other days huh? What a bummer, LOL!!!