Is it just me or is Godolphin winning everything

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I am going to make a bold statement and say that Bernardini may just be the best dirt horse in the world, and if he continues to run races in the form he showed in the Preakness, no one is going to beat him...not even America's top older horses. The only American horse that stood a chance against him was our lovely Barbaro. Now, the only horse that may stand against him if he keeps running in his current form is Darley's other horse Discreet Cat. SNS and Brother Derek can't beat Bernardini. I feel that he really have a weak older horse division here this year. Flower Alley is going to have to show me something to give me some hope.

The Darley stable still hasn't unleashed one of my personal favorites, Henny Hughes.

I don't know if Bernardini is even better than their older horse Invasor. Bernardini could be a star but remember he beat a bunch of tired horses in his only big race. One race doesn't make for the best dirt horse in the world. Right now it would be hard to believe such an inexperience horse could beat the Top 4yr olds. I think Ministers Bid will have something a say in the Travers and so will a fresh Sweetnorthernsaint if he goes that route. I also want to see Showing Up with a few more races under his belt and a healthy Corinthian before I go even giving Bernardini best 3yr old dirt horse, let alone top dirt horse in the world.

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Originally Posted by boldruler

I don't know if Bernardini is even better than their older horse Invasor. Bernardini could be a star but remember he beat a bunch of tired horses in his only big race. One race doesn't make for the best dirt horse in the world. Right now it would be hard to believe such an inexperience horse could beat the Top 4yr olds. I think Ministers Bid will have something a say in the Travers and so will a fresh Sweetnorthernsaint if he goes that route. I also want to see Showing Up with a few more races under his belt and a healthy Corinthian before I go even giving Bernardini best 3yr old dirt horse, let alone top dirt horse in the world.

Yes, but in winning that one big race it looked as if he was shot out of a cannon coming around the far turn. That was such an impressive race...figure wise, time wise, and visually. He didn't just win one big race...his Withers was super impressive too. I know what Bernardini is, and am willing to acknowledge it early on so that I am not disappointed when the Sheiks dominate the three year old division this year. Bernardini is a very, very special animal. Corinthian was a very nice horse, but coming back off of layoffs due to an injury always worry me, and I really don't think Corinthian is going to be able to get the classic distances. We shall see...

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Yes, but in winning that one big race it looked as if he was shot out of a cannon coming around the far turn. That was such an impressive race...figure wise, time wise, and visually. He didn't just win one big race...his Withers was super impressive too. I know what Bernardini is, and am willing to acknowledge it early on so that I am not disappointed when the Sheiks dominate the three year old division this year. Bernardini is a very, very special animal. Corinthian was a very nice horse, but coming back off of layoffs due to an injury always worry me, and I really don't think Corinthian is going to be able to get the classic distances. We shall see...

I wasn't really impressed with his Withers. It was a small field and the horse that finished second didn't do much this week. His Preakness time was really quick but I don't trust figures at such a weird distance. I am going to go out on a limb and say that Ministers Bid will be the top 3yr old when it is all said and done.

Originally Posted by boldruler

I don't know if Bernardini is even better than their older horse Invasor. Bernardini could be a star but remember he beat a bunch of tired horses in his only big race. One race doesn't make for the best dirt horse in the world. Right now it would be hard to believe such an inexperience horse could beat the Top 4yr olds. I think Ministers Bid will have something a say in the Travers and so will a fresh Sweetnorthernsaint if he goes that route. I also want to see Showing Up with a few more races under his belt and a healthy Corinthian before I go even giving Bernardini best 3yr old dirt horse, let alone top dirt horse in the world.

Not only is Bernardini better than Invasor, he is heads and shoulders better than that horse IMO....not close...I am also a fan of Minister's Bid, but he can't beat Bernardini....SNS, Showing Up and Corinthian are nice but not on Beranrdini's level..

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Not only is Bernardini better than Invasor, he is heads and shoulders better than that horse IMO....not close...I am also a fan of Minister's Bid, but he can't beat Bernardini....SNS, Showing Up and Corinthian are nice but not on Beranrdini's level..

So you think Bernardini is the best too? It took me so long to get to this level of the game as far as handicapping goes. The hardest part is learning not to be biased, and I am now there. I now acknowledge horses for what they really are instead of acknowledging them for what I want them to be. Trust me when I say that this horse is the real deal. Bet against him at your own risk. Oh, by the way, I NEVER actually thought that Corinthian could beat Discreet Cat

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Not only is Bernardini better than Invasor, he is heads and shoulders better than that horse IMO....not close...I am also a fan of Minister's Bid, but he can't beat Bernardini....SNS, Showing Up and Corinthian are nice but not on Beranrdini's level..

Heads and shoulders better? He ran slightly quicker on the same track and the Bernardini did it at an unusual distance. Amazing how good this Bernardini is off a win in a 4 horse field and a win against tired horses that ran 10F 2 weeks earlier. I am going to put him in the Red Bullet category before I put him in the Seattle Slew category.

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

it seems like the past month they have won alot of major races here in the US, and even a few big ones in Europe. Looks like they are finally doing something right, and managing their talent much better.

When and if ever Coolmore decide to take American racing seriously watch out.

Originally Posted by liamc7

When and if ever Coolmore decide to take American racing seriously watch out.

They will and Tood will be training most of them. His operation is a machine. You ought see those TAP sets out every morning. Ferocious beasts.
Like I said, if anyone wants any Pletcher vs Sheikh action in ecplipses at even money count me in.

Originally Posted by liamc7

When and if ever Coolmore decide to take American racing seriously watch out.

The bottomline is that their money isn't a drop in the bucket compared to the Shiek's cash...not even close, but they're both loaded..

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

The bottomline is that their money isn't a drop in the bucket compared to the Shiek's cash...not even close, but they're both loaded..

Joel but whose money has been smarter to this point?

Originally Posted by oracle80

Joel but whose money has been smarter to this point?

True, but money will prevail over the ong term...I've seen the trend move more and more towards Darley, especially this year....Coolmore runs a smarter operation because they understnd racing better than Darley does....Demi O'Byrne is a genius at picking out horses...unbelievable talent that guy has...he is a god and the brains behind that entire operation...he does a lot better than Ferguson with less resources.

The bottomline here is that Darley will ultimately pay more to be better....Coolmore actually has limits...Darley is the only irrational business in our industry that has no limits on what they will or can pay for a horse(s).

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

True, but money will prevail over the ong term...I've seen the trend move more and more towards Darley, especially this year....Coolmore runs a smarter operation because they understnd racing better than Darley does....Demi O'Byrne is a genius at picking out horses...unbelievable talent that guy has...he is a god and the brains behind that entire operation...he does a lot better than Ferguson with less resources.

The bottomline here is that Darley will ultimately pay more to be better....Coolmore actually has limits...Darley is the only irrational business in our industry that has no limits on what they will or can pay for a horse(s).

Joel.
Only when he drops the dream of having a Derby winner come from Dubai. I agree, if he ever decides I'm gonna hire Baffert, Pletcher, Mott, Dutrow, etc to just train my purchases then yes. But until then he wont surpass Coolmore. And matching Bin Suroor against Aidan is like matching me with Brad pitt in contest to pick up women. Neither I nor Saeed have a chance.

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

True, but money will prevail over the ong term...I've seen the trend move more and more towards Darley, especially this year....Coolmore runs a smarter operation because they understnd racing better than Darley does....Demi O'Byrne is a genius at picking out horses...unbelievable talent that guy has...he is a god and the brains behind that entire operation...he does a lot better than Ferguson with less resources.

The bottomline here is that Darley will ultimately pay more to be better....Coolmore actually has limits...Darley is the only irrational business in our industry that has no limits on what they will or can pay for a horse(s).

Why do you think the Sheiks dont get along with Coolmore,Coolmore have been buying and out bidding Darley for years,example Montjeu,&Hurricane Run