Ok I Have Had Enough

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I found this post from a little known and totally unheralded handicapper.
Looks like he was on to something.

http://derbytrail.com/forums/showthr...1399#post61399

Props ArlJim, well done!!!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Actually I knew it was over turning for home. I could see that Jara had a handful and the biggest tipoff was that he didn't angle even wider on the turn and panic and go full bore. He waited until they were straightened away and when he threw that first cross you could see Invasor just attack.
I was screaming loudly"The paper tiger is DONE!!!!" over and over again before he even actually collared him because there was no doubt in my mind he was gonna go by.
Whats sickening is that anybody is even attempting to make an excuse fro bern. Had he won the race we'd have to listen to how he was the greatest horse ever, blah blah blah just like we just did for 3 months. Yet Invasor wins 4 grade ones in 4 US starts at 4 different racetracks, including a BC where he was forced to miss his last and very important prep and he still crushed them. Where is the love for this horse and the fine job that Kiarin Mclaughlin and his staff did? Are you ****ing kidding me? I mean, everyone gushes over Albertrani all year long, and he gets to get his prep race in unhindered while kiarin has to sit with Invasor(due to the cough ) and hes gotta train up a horse who hasn't run since the frigging first week of August, and he doesn't get the love? Imagine anyone having the nerve to call me biased when its pretty obvious that you only get love on here if someone knows you personally and thinks you are cool. No unbiased objective guy making an analysis would call what Kiarin and Invasor did anything short of spectacular. Kiarin deserves major props.

kieran did an excellent job, as did jara. i know a couple weeks ago, some said he shouldn't be on for the big day. but i knew he'd do ok. invasor is good, he'd have to be to have the year he's had--and all this after shipping up from the souther hemi, and then to dubai and back. some of our cupcakes over here would never be seen again after shipping 'round the world and back like that. been high on him all year, and i've been kicking myself for not getting a bet on him at that price!! damned rules in this state....

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I found this post from a little known and totally unheralded handicapper.
Looks like he was on to something.

http://derbytrail.com/forums/showthr...1399#post61399

well done!!!

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

i thought songster was your favorite....lol..he dini didint spit the bit when challenged.....you and your gut check bs is laughable..he made his run to early..and jara made his at the right time..thats it....the fact that he skipped the prep to this made alot of sense..he had a fresh horse..congrats to invasor...but hes not any better than a lenth..at least on this day..sun king who got to invasor late ..where was he..

[SentToStud]

Who the F yells "the paper tiger is DONE!" during a horse race?

Better question may be who the F would understand what the guy yelling that meant?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

i thought songster was your favorite....lol..he dini didint spit the bit when challenged.....you and your gut check bs is laughable..he made his run to early..and jara made his at the right time..thats it....the fact that he skipped the prep to this made alot of sense..he had a fresh horse..congrats to invasor...but hes not any better than a lenth..at least on this day..sun king who got to invasor late ..where was he..

Sun King has gotten closer to Invasor than Berni ever will!

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I also saw Bluegrass Cat and all the other rats you said would beat Bernardini, and they're no Bernardini.

So let me get this straight, because he lost by A LENGTH to Invasor, he's "nowhere near as good as Invasor"? Hmm..

The way I saw the race was the Bernardini got BEAT a lenght and that was with Invasor giving him 4 pounds.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

i thought songster was your favorite....lol..he dini didint spit the bit when challenged.....you and your gut check bs is laughable..he made his run to early..and jara made his at the right time..thats it....the fact that he skipped the prep to this made alot of sense..he had a fresh horse..congrats to invasor...but hes not any better than a lenth..at least on this day..sun king who got to invasor late ..where was he..

and had invasor lost a lot of us would have said it was because he needed a race....how many times does a horse lose off a layoff and it's 'oh, he needed that one'....

it was a good race, for sure. i think maybe javvy moved too soon, but then again....who's to know for sure? hell, worked in all his others. he was usually clear long before the top of the stretch.

[Danzig]

wonder where DC woulda finished....i read much of the year where henny and discreet were both faster figure-wise than bernie...fat lot of good it did henny tho.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Lee Harvey Oswald made the beyer figures, lol.
I tried to tell everyone, and posted it one thousand times, but noone gets it or at least very few get it.
Ragozin did a study years ago, found horses ALWAYS ran their lifetime best numbers in "easy wins". The whole fallacy(cough cough Eurobounce, revolution, Betsy, ahem) that a horse who wins with no pressure could go faster is exactly that, a total fallacy. Its a lot harder to run fast when someone gets in your face. And I personally don't think that him not being as good as Invasor is the only issue, he didn't even offer token resistance when eyeballed, he surrendered in a fashion that would make even the French Army proud. I predicted he was a bully who when eyeballed would fold all year long, and I posted it a thousand times. He got eyeballed, and he didn't even try to fight back.

Okay, before you talk out of your ass again you might want to make sure that your mouth is on the same page. This is what you typed a few months ago. A little inconsistent? A LOT inconsistent? Your quote in reference to mineshaft:

He beat what was thrown at him. Normally I would challenge who a horse beat, but like bernadini you have to look at how easy teh wins are and the sheet number they ran. The number will tell you that it really wouldnt have mattered who they faced, they woulda won anyway. Its not like Mineshaft was winning races by a head or a neck, see the difference?
__________________
"This isn't funny!!!! Why, we're fighting for our lives out here!"
Joe P, a lifelong racetracker, after someone laughed at his tantrum after blowing a tight photo for 8 grand

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Okay, before you talk out of your ass again you might want to make sure that your mouth is on the same page. This is what you typed a few months ago. A little inconsistent? A LOT inconsistent? Your quote in reference to mineshaft:

He beat what was thrown at him. Normally I would challenge who a horse beat, but like bernadini you have to look at how easy teh wins are and the sheet number they ran. The number will tell you that it really wouldnt have mattered who they faced, they woulda won anyway. Its not like Mineshaft was winning races by a head or a neck, see the difference?
__________________
"This isn't funny!!!! Why, we're fighting for our lives out here!"
Joe P, a lifelong racetracker, after someone laughed at his tantrum after blowing a tight photo for 8 grand

now thats funny..nice job ..

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Actually I knew it was over turning for home. I could see that Jara had a handful and the biggest tipoff was that he didn't angle even wider on the turn and panic and go full bore. He waited until they were straightened away and when he threw that first cross you could see Invasor just attack.
I was screaming loudly"The paper tiger is DONE!!!!" over and over again before he even actually collared him because there was no doubt in my mind he was gonna go by.
Whats sickening is that anybody is even attempting to make an excuse fro bern. Had he won the race we'd have to listen to how he was the greatest horse ever, blah blah blah just like we just did for 3 months. Yet Invasor wins 4 grade ones in 4 US starts at 4 different racetracks, including a BC where he was forced to miss his last and very important prep and he still crushed them. Where is the love for this horse and the fine job that Kiarin Mclaughlin and his staff did? Are you ****ing kidding me? I mean, everyone gushes over Albertrani all year long, and he gets to get his prep race in unhindered while kiarin has to sit with Invasor(due to the cough ) and hes gotta train up a horse who hasn't run since the frigging first week of August, and he doesn't get the love? Imagine anyone having the nerve to call me biased when its pretty obvious that you only get love on here if someone knows you personally and thinks you are cool. No unbiased objective guy making an analysis would call what Kiarin and Invasor did anything short of spectacular. Kiarin deserves major props.

Pick a side, buddy. Either Bernardini was an overrated piece of **** or he was awesome for running second to a monster like Invasor. You don't get to denigrate Bernardini until the cows come home, then talk up Invasor. It doesn't work like that.

If Jara had so much horse, how is it that a lack of heart was what did in Bernardini? Which ****ing one is it? Either Invasor was tons the best and Bernardini ran huge as well or they both are slow!

And yeah, unbiased is definitely a word I would use to describe you. The guy who has never seen Pletcher or Dutrow or anybody he thinks he knows make a bad move ever. The guy who's done everything but sneak into Bernardini's barn and poison him at night. You're unbiased. You've been sucking Dutrow off for years and recently started on the Pletcher bandwagon because you "know" them, but now, no one else is allowed to do the same after they get to know Albertrani. You're a total hypocrite.

Aren't you the man, too, for shouting "The paper tiger is done!" I'm sure you were the toast of the town and looked just as cool and sane as you always do when watching a race..

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i can't believe that the horse was set at even money, and i can't believe anyone would single him. and i really, really, can't believe that anyone really feels bernardini didn't run his race. he did. but it was against seasoned veterans, some of the best in the world.
and i really expected a response when invasor came up on him. i wanted to see a fight to the wire. didn't happen.

Ah yes, another postrace genius. I'm sure if the horse had won by 10, you'd still be criticizing anyone who bet him at even money or singled him.

All of this lack of heart stuff is absolute nonsense. If it hadn't been Bernardini on the rail, but Lava Man or one of the other Derby Trail heroes, you'd all be singing the same tune, right? That he folded? Of course you would.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Actually I knew it was over turning for home. I could see that Jara had a handful and the biggest tipoff was that he didn't angle even wider on the turn and panic and go full bore. He waited until they were straightened away and when he threw that first cross you could see Invasor just attack.
I was screaming loudly"The paper tiger is DONE!!!!" over and over again before he even actually collared him because there was no doubt in my mind he was gonna go by.
Whats sickening is that anybody is even attempting to make an excuse fro bern. Had he won the race we'd have to listen to how he was the greatest horse ever, blah blah blah just like we just did for 3 months. Yet Invasor wins 4 grade ones in 4 US starts at 4 different racetracks, including a BC where he was forced to miss his last and very important prep and he still crushed them. Where is the love for this horse and the fine job that Kiarin Mclaughlin and his staff did? Are you ****ing kidding me? I mean, everyone gushes over Albertrani all year long, and he gets to get his prep race in unhindered while kiarin has to sit with Invasor(due to the cough ) and hes gotta train up a horse who hasn't run since the frigging first week of August, and he doesn't get the love? Imagine anyone having the nerve to call me biased when its pretty obvious that you only get love on here if someone knows you personally and thinks you are cool. No unbiased objective guy making an analysis would call what Kiarin and Invasor did anything short of spectacular. Kiarin deserves major props.

Well, I called him "paper superstar" but close enough:

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=6155#5

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Sun King has gotten closer to Invasor than Berni ever will!

OHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That one made me spill my drink just now Jim!!!
DING DING DING DING!!!! Rack Him!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Pick a side, buddy. Either Bernardini was an overrated piece of **** or he was awesome for running second to a monster like Invasor. You don't get to denigrate Bernardini until the cows come home, then talk up Invasor. It doesn't work like that.

If Jara had so much horse, how is it that a lack of heart was what did in Bernardini? Which ****ing one is it? Either Invasor was tons the best and Bernardini ran huge as well or they both are slow!

And yeah, unbiased is definitely a word I would use to describe you. The guy who has never seen Pletcher or Dutrow or anybody he thinks he knows make a bad move ever. The guy who's done everything but sneak into Bernardini's barn and poison him at night. You're unbiased. You've been sucking Dutrow off for years and recently started on the Pletcher bandwagon because you "know" them, but now, no one else is allowed to do the same after they get to know Albertrani. You're a total hypocrite.

Aren't you the man, too, for shouting "The paper tiger is done!" I'm sure you were the toast of the town and looked just as cool and sane as you always do when watching a race..



Ah yes, another postrace genius. I'm sure if the horse had won by 10, you'd still be criticizing anyone who bet him at even money or singled him.

All of this lack of heart stuff is absolute nonsense. If it hadn't been Bernardini on the rail, but Lava Man or one of the other Derby Trail heroes, you'd all be singing the same tune, right? That he folded? Of course you would.

If sucking off means buying him some good horses including a grade one winner, yeah thats me, good luck accomplishing that some day Joey.
Todd's a pro and hes the best at what he does, read the paper.
Trainers aren't judged by how many sandwiches they buy, they are judged by how their horses perform in races. And thats a fact Jack.

Originally Posted by oracle80

OHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That one made me spill my drink just now Jim!!!
DING DING DING DING!!!! Rack Him!!!!!!!!

Yeah that was pretty funny right there.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Pick a side, buddy. Either Bernardini was an overrated piece of **** or he was awesome for running second to a monster like Invasor. You don't get to denigrate Bernardini until the cows come home, then talk up Invasor. It doesn't work like that.

If Jara had so much horse, how is it that a lack of heart was what did in Bernardini? Which ****ing one is it? Either Invasor was tons the best and Bernardini ran huge as well or they both are slow!

And yeah, unbiased is definitely a word I would use to describe you. The guy who has never seen Pletcher or Dutrow or anybody he thinks he knows make a bad move ever. The guy who's done everything but sneak into Bernardini's barn and poison him at night. You're unbiased. You've been sucking Dutrow off for years and recently started on the Pletcher bandwagon because you "know" them, but now, no one else is allowed to do the same after they get to know Albertrani. You're a total hypocrite.

Aren't you the man, too, for shouting "The paper tiger is done!" I'm sure you were the toast of the town and looked just as cool and sane as you always do when watching a race..



Ah yes, another postrace genius. I'm sure if the horse had won by 10, you'd still be criticizing anyone who bet him at even money or singled him.

All of this lack of heart stuff is absolute nonsense. If it hadn't been Bernardini on the rail, but Lava Man or one of the other Derby Trail heroes, you'd all be singing the same tune, right? That he folded? Of course you would.

And I'm quite sure I never wished ill will or harm on Bernadini. You need to grow up "super moderator" and you damn well better take that accusation down, got it punk?

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Yeah that was pretty funny right there.

Euro that was the post of the year as far as I am concerned. Hands down post of the year goes to ArlJim, that was pretty ****ing witty. I'm jealous I didn't think of that response.

[ateamstupid]

You were kissing Dutrow's ass way before Wonder Lady Anne L was even born, so I really wish you'd stop using that horse to justify your entire life.

And what accusation do I have to take down? The one that you're a biased degenerate who gets under the skin of everyone he's ever met?

Oh no wait, I didn't make that accusation. I should've though.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You were kissing Dutrow's ass way before Wonder Lady Anne L was even born, so I really wish you'd stop using that horse to justify your entire life.

And what accusation do I have to take down? The one that you're a biased degenerate who gets under the skin of everyone he's ever met?

Oh no wait, I didn't make that accusation. I should've though.

I was referring to you saying I wanted to feed bern poison. Don't you think thats a little over the top? I'm sure Steve will. I'm quite sure he will. I'd bet on it.