Race Riding or Herding?

[MaTH716]

The Poker at Belmont yesterday (8th race).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvd_t055c6E

On the NYRA show on MSG, it seemed like the Mig was ok with the decision calling it race-riding. I think Andy was a little more in the herding corner. I'm biased because the result went against me, but I really don't understand how they left Lezcano up there. They also might have set a dangerous precedent going forward. To me it looked like the favorite (even with the horrendous ride, {because Rosario absolutely refuses to win for me}) could have been cost a placing by the tactics in the stretch. I've always thought that was the #1 criteria for taking a horse down.

I'm interested in hearing everyone's thoughts.

[declansharbor]

If Mig thinks that is race riding, I'd hate to see what he considers herding. Lezcano clearly comes in a few paths once he realizes his competition took the inside route. Luckily for everyone that Catapult didn't go on in the stretch or else Lezcano would've pushed Projected & Rosario right into him.

[knickslions2]

I had no skin in that race but thought the 3 should have come down. Clearly herded the favorite all the way down the stretch almost into the rail.

[blackthroatedwind]

I think you are misconstruing Mig's comments. What he said, essentially, was that he believed that the Stewards would not take the horse down, and explained why he felt that way. I basically agreed with him.

I believe a horse should be taken down for that, but the Stewards have allowed that kind of behavior, and a jockey's responsibility is to do what he or she is legally allowed to do in order to win a race. I am not at all surprised the result stood, and actually think it is consistent with the decisions our Stewards make. Whether you or I agree with them is a completely different conversation.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think you are misconstruing Mig's comments. What he said, essentially, was that he believed that the Stewards would not take the horse down, and explained why he felt that way. I basically agreed with him.

I believe a horse should be taken down for that, but the Stewards have allowed that kind of behavior, and a jockey's responsibility is to do what he or she is legally allowed to do in order to win a race. I am not at all surprised the result stood, and actually think it is consistent with the decisions our Stewards make. Whether you or I agree with them is a completely different conversation.

I agree that consistent rulings are really all we can ask for and New York tracks seem to be best at that.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think you are misconstruing Mig's comments. What he said, essentially, was that he believed that the Stewards would not take the horse down, and explained why he felt that way. I basically agreed with him.

I believe a horse should be taken down for that, but the Stewards have allowed that kind of behavior, and a jockey's responsibility is to do what he or she is legally allowed to do in order to win a race. I am not at all surprised the result stood, and actually think it is consistent with the decisions our Stewards make. Whether you or I agree with them is a completely different conversation.

Originally Posted by knickslions2

I agree that consistent rulings are really all we can ask for and New York tracks seem to be best at that.

At the end of the day, as bettors this is all we can ask and hope for. Going forward, I have a feeling that this race will be the measuring stick for any type of herding infraction/DQ because this one really had to toe the line.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

I tend to think its rosario who is to blame for not making a winning move before that all happend.