Sheikh Mo and Bernardini

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

I dont know why all the animosity towards the Godolphin crew, they singlehandedly saved horse racing and the breeding industry in the US

BS. It is a group having fun playing with their lunch money while making already rich people richer.

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

BS. It is a group having fun playing with their lunch money while making already rich people richer.

Make that "other people's lunch money."

We are all going to seem foolish if Bernardini runs next year.

They did not make their money the "Old Fashioned way, by earning it". The Family sits on a huge commodity. Taking Bernardini off the track is off course their decision. But as far as Racing goes, and I mean people that like to watch great athletes perform, this absolutely sucks. So do they really help the popularity of the sport by pulling what may a great horse... Do they give a sh it. If they dont. Then they are worthless to someone like me.

And no BS they have ever right to do what they want, we know that. Im asking does this help the sport? Does the actually running really matter to them? Sports involve entertainment. Horses will always break down. If we have not come to that realization, quit supporting the sport. Its apart of the game.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

I dont know why all the animosity towards the Godolphin crew, they singlehandedly saved horse racing and the breeding industry in the US

Well said. They are responsible for putting a ton of money into the business and helping employ many americans.

There is no reason to continue racing this horse. He will start at $250K and he will have no problem filling his book. This is the horse they will depend on for their derby horses for years to come.

Remember, they have Discreet Cat for their big race.

What big race would Bernardini being going after next year. He can't run in the derby, so what would be the point? Once you win the BC Classic there isn't much to target.

The pedigree on this horse is the best there has ever been. He will have a huge impact on the breed.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Well said. They are responsible for putting a ton of money into the business and helping employ many americans.

There is no reason to continue racing this horse. He will start at $250K and he will have no problem filling his book. This is the horse they will depend on for their derby horses for years to come.

Remember, they have Discreet Cat for their big race.

What big race would Bernardini being going after next year. He can't run in the derby, so what would be the point? Once you win the BC Classic there isn't much to target.

The pedigree on this horse is the best there has ever been. He will have a huge impact on the breed.

He was being sarcastic. Thanks for the laugh.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I really don't have a problem with Sheikh Mohammed retiring Bernardini. I have a problem with him being praised for anything. And that has everything to do with human rights. I find it nearly impossible to not include politics into discussion when Dubai treats most of their population like indentured servants.


All the best to the horse. It's a shame he isn't owned by someone with a soul.

Spoken like somebody who has never been to Dubai. Don't talk about something that you know little about. You sound ignorant. Dubai is not Saudi Arabia. I have been there numerous times and it is not anything like you are trying to make it out to be.

You are basically disguising your racist comments, in a polite way. To say somebody does not have a soul is disgusting. Have you ever met the owners? Let me guess, probably not.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Well said. They are responsible for putting a ton of money into the business and helping employ many americans.

There is no reason to continue racing this horse. He will start at $250K and he will have no problem filling his book. This is the horse they will depend on for their derby horses for years to come.

Remember, they have Discreet Cat for their big race.

What big race would Bernardini being going after next year. He can't run in the derby, so what would be the point? Once you win the BC Classic there isn't much to target.

The pedigree on this horse is the best there has ever been. He will have a huge impact on the breed.

I wasn't aware that he had won the Breeders Cup Classic. I musta slept longer than I thought I did. Is it November 4th already?

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I wasn't aware that he had won the Breeders Cup Classic. I musta slept longer than I thought I did. Is it November 4th already?

It is inevitable. He is significantly better than any horse running today. Track surface will mean nothing either. He can win in anything. Many in breeding business in KY believe he is the best horse and the best stallion prospect they have ever seen. I tend to agree. As a son of AP Indy, he is peaking right when he was expected to peak. This BC Classic will not be competitive. It will be no more competitive than any of his races, even if George Washington and David Junior take to the dirt.

You guys who dislike the trainer and the owners need to learn that horses don't know who their trainers and owners are. They are animals and the fastest ones win.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

It is inevitable. He is significantly better than any horse running today. Track surface will mean nothing either. He can win in anything. Many in breeding business in KY believe he is the best horse and the best stallion prospect they have ever seen. I tend to agree. As a son of AP Indy, he is peaking right when he was expected to peak. This BC Classic will not be competitive. It will be no more competitive than any of his races, even if George Washington and David Junior take to the dirt.

You guys who dislike the trainer and the owners need to learn that horses don't know who their trainers and owners are. They are animals and the fastest ones win.

Didn't you say that about Showing Up a few months back about winning the Breeders Cup Turf?
Look, its a horse race. And hes not going to get away with a cushy trip and slow fractions. You act as if he cannot possibly lose this race. Rock of Gibraltar lost a BC race. Things arent so easy on Cup day.

[Round Pen]

I still find it rather strange that this story broke a couple of days ago that Bernardini would stand stud next year but yet there has been No stories in any of our Major Thoughbred Racing Publications. Why is that????????

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

It is inevitable. He is significantly better than any horse running today. Track surface will mean nothing either. He can win in anything. Many in breeding business in KY believe he is the best horse and the best stallion prospect they have ever seen. I tend to agree. As a son of AP Indy, he is peaking right when he was expected to peak. This BC Classic will not be competitive. It will be no more competitive than any of his races, even if George Washington and David Junior take to the dirt.

You guys who dislike the trainer and the owners need to learn that horses don't know who their trainers and owners are. They are animals and the fastest ones win.

Wow, great observation. Funny how Secretariat lost, though. I'm sure all his wins were inevitable, too.

--Dunbar

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

I dont know why all the animosity towards the Godolphin crew, they singlehandedly saved horse racing and the breeding industry in the US

Jerry, as much as I love racing, I'd be fine if it went down the tubes tomorrow if it meant that people persecuted, tortured and murdered throughout the world were saved! The reason that there is hostility toward supposed "sportsmen" who flaunt their ill-begotten riches and claim to be humanitarians??? Well, let me think.....!!! I hope the horse outlives them all!!!

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Didn't you say that about Showing Up a few months back about winning the Breeders Cup Turf?
Look, its a horse race. And hes not going to get away with a cushy trip and slow fractions. You act as if he cannot possibly lose this race. Rock of Gibraltar lost a BC race. Things arent so easy on Cup day.

Never thought Showing Up would win the Breeders Cup turf. His breeding suggests he couldn't run that far with the ideal trip. Showing Up is a nice horse but the European horses are much better than any horse in America. The group 2 horses could beat the American grade 1's at 12f.

The Rock is not Bernardini. And I loved the Rock. Bernardini has a ton more than we have seen. A ton more. When they cut him open we are going to see a heart similar to Secretariats.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Spoken like somebody who has never been to Dubai. Don't talk about something that you know little about. You sound ignorant. Dubai is not Saudi Arabia. I have been there numerous times and it is not anything like you are trying to make it out to be.

You are basically disguising your racist comments, in a polite way. To say somebody does not have a soul is disgusting. Have you ever met the owners? Let me guess, probably not.

So George...how long did you live there? I ask cause I did, not visit and stay in a hotel and see what folks wanted me to see...live among the people???? If you've done that then one of us must be delusional at best cause I don't remember it that way!!!

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

Wow, great observation. Funny how Secretariat lost, though. I'm sure all his wins were inevitable, too.

--Dunbar

Secretariat lost when he was not 100%. They don't run them today unless they are 100%. Today they run them 8x a year and the scratch them if there is the slightest chink in their armor.

A few people I have spoken to think Bernardini is going to break Secretariat's track record too. Is he better, not yet, but maybe.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

I still find it rather strange that this story broke a couple of days ago that Bernardini would stand stud next year but yet there has been No stories in any of our Major Thoughbred Racing Publications. Why is that????????

Because they have to worry about their credibility. We don't. They can't write any stories about it until it has been made official by the connections which won't happen until after the BC. Whether or not it is true the major publications aren't in a position to write about it.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Secretariat lost when he was not 100%. They don't run them today unless they are 100%. Today they run them 8x a year and the scratch them if there is the slightest chink in their armor.

A few people I have spoken to think Bernardini is going to break Secretariat's track record too. Is he better, not yet, but maybe.

Secretariat set his record in May of his three year old year. And how do these "experts" that you know figure he can go that fast when he just went 2:01 at a track where the track record is 1:58:1? Belmont's 10 f races are run at a turn and a half as opposed to two turn, which makes it faster by at least a second. So you figure hes got about 14 lengths improvement in him? yeah, ok, sure.

[Seattleallstar]

If Bernardini is to run all out he will shatter Secretariat's record, its just a damn shame he wont be able to break the record for 12f

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Spoken like somebody who has never been to Dubai. Don't talk about something that you know little about. You sound ignorant. Dubai is not Saudi Arabia. I have been there numerous times and it is not anything like you are trying to make it out to be.

You are basically disguising your racist comments, in a polite way. To say somebody does not have a soul is disgusting. Have you ever met the owners? Let me guess, probably not.

When you met the owners did you bow and say your highness?