Is This Finally The End Of Giacomo Goo-Gooism?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

2ND IN (G1)HWD FUTURITY 23'2 46.0 1:10

1ST (G1)KENTUCKY DERBY 45'1 109'2

1ST IN (G2)SAN DIEGO HANDICAP 22'4 46.0 109'4

Yesterday was 46'3 1:11'1

Giacomo has won his share of nice races.Obviously he likes a 46 or quicker pace to chase.If you like to rag on horses, then you can rag on his one dimensional style.It is often said that he is slow.He is slow if they run a 46'3,or a 47.He can beat fast horses if they run a 46'0 or quicker.He can look very bad( until he gets his pitch.)You give him his pitch,and he won't leave it short. If he were to get the pace in the 2003 classic (22.79, 46.35, 1:10.32, 1:34.32,)then I think he would have a shot.Same for the 2002 classic.2004,and 2005...No...All about getting his pitch.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

2ND IN (G1)HWD FUTURITY 23'2 46.0 1:10

1ST (G1)KENTUCKY DERBY 45'1 109'2

1ST IN (G2)SAN DIEGO HANDICAP 22'4 46.0 109'4

Yesterday was 46'3 1:11'1

Giacomo has won his share of nice races.Obviously he likes a 46 or quicker pace to chase.If you like to rag on horses, then you can rag on his one dimensional style.It is often said that he is slow.He is slow if they run a 46'3,or a 47.He can beat fast horses if they run a 46'0 or quicker.He can look very bad( until he gets his pitch.)You give him his pitch,and he won't leave it short. If he were to get the pace in the 2003 classic (22.79, 46.35, 1:10.32, 1:34.32,)then I think he would have a shot.Same for the 2002 classic.2004,and 2005...No...All about getting his pitch.

So ...

... what it boils down to is this ...

... if all the other horses collapse from exhaustion ... Giacomo is capable of staying on his feet and passing them.

Yeah ... that's a really ringing endorsement.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

So ...

... what it boils down to is this ...

... if all the other horses collapse from exhaustion ... Giacomo is capable of staying on his feet and passing them.

Yeah ... that's a really ringing endorsement.

Well, bash him then.Seems to get you off to bash a horse who has won 2.2 million.Sometimes other horses get their favored 47 type split,and sometimes he gets his 46 split.He is much more interested when they run a 46 split.They aren't stopping yet, when they run a 46,but he is much comfortable rating off that pace.I would say he is a wild card,and always has been.When people's favorite selections for the Derby failed to win,they took their wrath out on the wild card winner,and they will do that long after he is retired.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well, bash him then.Seems to get you off to bash a horse who has won 2.2 million.Sometimes other horses get their favored 47 type split,and sometimes he gets his 46 split.He is much more interested when they run a 46 split.They aren't stopping yet, when they run a 46,but he is much comfortable rating off that pace.I would say he is a wild card,and always has been.When people's favorite selections for the Derby failed to win,they took their wrath out on the wild card winner,and they will do that long after he is retired.

I don't get the bashing either. Every year they run the Derby and one horse wins. On that day, whatever the trip he and others got, he was the best. End of story. I guess people can say he's the worst Derby winner of the past 25 years based on their own "expertise", that's their opinion and that's fine. I'm just glad to see horses like him and Funny Cide still racing.

[SniperSB23]

The ridiculous thing is we have an intact Kentucky Derby still running late into his 4yo year and people still want to complain about it.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well, bash him then.Seems to get you off to bash a horse who has won 2.2 million.Sometimes other horses get their favored 47 type split,and sometimes he gets his 46 split.He is much more interested when they run a 46 split.They aren't stopping yet, when they run a 46,but he is much comfortable rating off that pace.I would say he is a wild card,and always has been.When people's favorite selections for the Derby failed to win,they took their wrath out on the wild card winner,and they will do that long after he is retired.

It never ceases to amaze ... how badly people can miss the point.

No one is bashing Giacomo ... we're just commenting on the goo-goos who were trying to convince us ... despite all evidence to the contrary ... that Giacomo is still a G1 race horse.

If you read my earlier posts on this thread ... and comprehended them ... which I know is asking a lot ... you'd realize that I'm a fervent supporter of Giacomo ... and dearly hope that he's given a decent opportunity as a stallion.

Hey, Steve ... is it possible to add a Remedial Reading Comprehension section to this site?

Sheeeeeesh !!!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

It never ceases to amaze ... how badly people can miss the point.

No one is bashing Giacomo ... we're just commenting on the goo-goos who were trying to convince us ... despite all evidence to the contrary ... that Giacomo is still a G1 race horse.

If you read my earlier posts on this thread ... and comprehended them ... which I know is asking a lot ... you'd realize that I'm a fervent supporter of Giacomo ... and dearly hope that he's given a decent opportunity as a stallion.

Hey, Steve ... is it possible to add a Remedial Reading Comprehension section to this site?

Sheeeeeesh !!!

I don't see why he couldn't be a grade one winner this year. He won a grade two this year... who's to say he couldn't win a grade one?