Best broodmare (revisited) - Page 2

slotdirt · #21 08-10-2006, 01:29 PM

Doesn't Will's Way stand in like West Virginia now?

Cajungator26 · #22 08-10-2006, 01:32 PM

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Doesn't Will's Way stand in like West Virginia now?

Pennsylvania, I think.

Damascus '67 · #23 08-10-2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Pennsylvania, I think.

Yes, he is up here in Pennsylvania.

miraja2 · #24 08-10-2006, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Well of course, La Affirmed is impressive. Affirmed and Secretariat always have bad raps as producers, but if you look at their broodmares, they're dang impressive.

Yeah don't even get me started on fools who think Big Red was a "disappointment" as a stallion. He is without a doubt one of the top broodmare sires in the history of the sport. No question about that.
However that is not all he did, he also sired some great runners himself. His top two on the track were obviously Risen Star and Lady's Secret, and I think I would put those two up against the top colt and filly performers from almost any sire around.
Even his second-tier runners were multiple grade 1 winners like Tinners Way and General Assembly. You add those kind of on the track performances with his absolutley amazing success as a broodmare sire and Secretariat was without question a breed-changing type stallion.

Cajungator26 · #25 08-10-2006, 03:05 PM

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Yeah don't even get me started on fools who think Big Red was a "disappointment" as a stallion. He is without a doubt one of the top broodmare sires in the history of the sport. No question about that.
However that is not all he did, he also sired some great runners himself. His top two on the track were obviously Risen Star and Lady's Secret, and I think I would put those two up against the top colt and filly performers from almost any sire around.
Even his second-tier runners were multiple grade 1 winners like Tinners Way and General Assembly. You add those kind of on the track performances with his absolutley amazing success as a broodmare sire and Secretariat was without question a breed-changing type stallion.

Tinner's Way was a spectacular racehorse, but he hasn't done much in the shed, unfortunately. By far, my favorite Secretariat son is Innkeeper.

#26 08-10-2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Yeah don't even get me started on fools who think Big Red was a "disappointment" as a stallion. He is without a doubt one of the top broodmare sires in the history of the sport. No question about that.
However that is not all he did, he also sired some great runners himself. His top two on the track were obviously Risen Star and Lady's Secret, and I think I would put those two up against the top colt and filly performers from almost any sire around.
Even his second-tier runners were multiple grade 1 winners like Tinners Way and General Assembly. You add those kind of on the track performances with his absolutley amazing success as a broodmare sire and Secretariat was without question a breed-changing type stallion.

He saw some of the best mares in his day... so yes, a breed changing stallion, but his book afforded him all the success in the world. Its not just him carrying on through his daughters... those families are whats helping him. Either way though, gotta love him and worship him as a broodmare sire of sires.

Cajungator26 · #27 08-10-2006, 03:10 PM

Stupid question... but if I wanted to go to the OBS on August 21, am I allowed to go? In other words, can the public attend?

#28 08-10-2006, 03:11 PM

Yes its open to the public. All public auctions are.

Cajungator26 · #29 08-10-2006, 03:12 PM

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Yes its open to the public. All public auctions are.

Sorry... wasn't sure if it was or not. I've never been to one before. If you wanted to bid on something, what do you need to do in order to be a part of that?

miraja2 · #30 08-10-2006, 03:14 PM

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He saw some of the best mares in his day... so yes, a breed changing stallion, but his book afforded him all the success in the world. Its not just him carrying on through his daughters... those families are whats helping him. Either way though, gotta love him and worship him as a broodmare sire of sires.

True, but there are plenty of stallions who were so impressive on the track (Spectacular Bid etc.) that they were given their shot at the best mares early in their stud careers and yet didn't produce squat.

Cajungator26 · #31 08-10-2006, 03:19 PM

The Bid was another example of a good broodmare sire.

#32 08-10-2006, 03:22 PM

If you wanted to bid you would have to open up a line of credit with the auction house, etc.

The Bid, in my opinion, is a very underrated broodmare sire. I love to see him in that spot. And trust me, I will never take away from Secretariat's accomplishments with his daughters! Love him...

slotdirt · #33 08-10-2006, 03:25 PM

What were the progeny earnings of Secretariat? Also remember that he didn't get to stand quite as long as a lot of great stallions did (Storm Cat or Cozzene, for example). Secretariat was the same age as Pleasant Tap or Red Ransom or Royal Academy are now when he passed in 1989.

miraja2 · #34 08-10-2006, 03:29 PM

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The Bid was another example of a good broodmare sire.

Yes, but my point was simply that he is not in the same league as Sec in terms of being a broodmare sire even though he also saw the top mares. Sec also sired a HOY in Lady's Secret and a multiple classic winner in Risen Star, while The Bid never approached that.
My point wasn't really that the Bid was a complete failure or anything like that, but simply that Secretariat's remarkable success wasn't just due to the quality of the mares he was seeing.

miraja2 · #35 08-10-2006, 03:36 PM

Balletto,

Holy crap! I just clicked on your myspace link. Are you seriously just 18? If so, how the hell do you know so much about racing and pedigree stuff? I'm impressed.

Cajungator26 · #36 08-10-2006, 03:36 PM

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Yes, but my point was simply that he is not in the same league as Sec in terms of being a broodmare sire even though he also saw the top mares. Sec also sired a HOY in Lady's Secret and a multiple classic winner in Risen Star, while The Bid never approached that.
My point wasn't really that the Bid was a complete failure or anything like that, but simply that Secretariat's remarkable success wasn't just due to the quality of the mares he was seeing.

I'm not arguing with that. I agree completely.

Cajungator26 · #37 08-10-2006, 03:38 PM

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Balletto,

Holy crap! I just clicked on your myspace link. Are you seriously just 18? If so, how the hell do you know so much about racing and pedigree stuff? I'm impressed.

I'm impressed too. She knows her stuff and it takes years to get that kind of knowledge.

#38 08-10-2006, 03:39 PM

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Balletto,

Holy crap! I just clicked on your myspace link. Are you seriously just 18? If so, how the hell do you know so much about racing and pedigree stuff? I'm impressed.

haha yeah. I dont know, pedigrees just intrigue me. They're my "thing". Its almost a sick passion.

I think its fair to say that me, you and Cajun are all on the same page with Sec. We're just wording our arguments a lil differently.

miraja2 · #39 08-10-2006, 03:43 PM

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haha yeah. I dont know, pedigrees just intrigue me. They're my "thing". Its almost a sick passion.

I think its fair to say that me, you and Cajun are all on the same page with Sec. We're just wording our arguments a lil differently.

Yeah I think you are right about that. I am still freaked out by the fact that at 18 years old you know about 1000 times more than I do about this. But hey, that's cool.

#40 08-10-2006, 03:45 PM

God, I just realized I may be socially retarded.

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