10/3 (MED): Meadowlands Cup H. (Gr. II)

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

In Headley's "defense", I don't think he cares for synthetics one bit. I wonder if he was younger, if he wouldn't start to ship his horses. Probably being defiant like the captain of a sinking ship or Charleton Heston or something.

Dutrow just said post-race that the horse will target the Clark.

Too bad, would have been interesting to see him in the BC Dirt Mile. That way, I could have figured out if the move up was cuz of the real dirt or cuz of Dutrow.

How does Headley not caring for the synthetics affect how his horses run on them? If he has one that likes it, shouldn't it still be able to perform on it even if Headley hates it and vice versa?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

How does Headley not caring for the synthetics affect how his horses run on them? If he has one that likes it, shouldn't it still be able to perform on it even if Headley hates it and vice versa?

That wasn't the point I was trying to make and it was only a minor point at that.

Bruce Headley was called out for not shipping his horses where they can run on conventional dirt. A valid question in the face of his struggle to maintain his previous rate of success, not to mention the specific stakes-calibur horses in his barn that seem to have lost their top form since the CA mandate.

I only suggested that the reason had nothing to do with his being satisfied/pleased with synthetic surfaces. He was actually one of the voices against its installation to begin with.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

That wasn't the point I was trying to make and it was only a minor point at that.

Bruce Headley was called out for not shipping his horses where they can run on conventional dirt. A valid question in the face of his struggle to maintain his previous rate of success, not to mention the specific stakes-calibur horses in his barn that seem to have lost their top form since the CA mandate.

I only suggested that the reason had nothing to do with his being satisfied/pleased with synthetic surfaces. He was actually one of the voices against its installation to begin with.

Ok gotcha. I agree with you too. Remember back when Surf Cat was a 3yo and there was talk about sending him to the Haskell? I remember laughing then about it knowing it was VERY unlikely and sure enough, Headley ended up keeping him home and running in the Pacific Classic. And this was when we still ran on dirt out here.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Ok gotcha. I agree with you too. Remember back when Surf Cat was a 3yo and there was talk about sending him to the Haskell? I remember laughing then about it knowing it was VERY unlikely and sure enough, Headley ended up keeping him home and running in the Pacific Classic. And this was when we still ran on dirt out here.

I think the only time he's shipped is for the BC, those being Bertrando, Lakota Brave, Son Of A Pistol, Kona Gold, and Kalookan Queen.

Actually, he also ran Dispersal's full brother Disposal in the Kentucky Derby with just 2 starts under his belt. It was the same year that Bertrando should have gone (but was injured), so I guess he's not even immune to Derby fever.

I think Disposal might have run once or twice more after his drubbing at Churchill.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Mike

I pre-bet this race, thinking I wouldn't get home on time. Glad I went for PV Lightening(at this point, 20 mtp) instead of my other choice, Arson Squad, who is being heavily bet early. Some would say this is the smart money, I suppose

If anyone wants to shoot someone today, I'm a volunteer victim

[cmorioles]

I'd love to see Coco Belle return to real dirt as well. She could probably win the BC sprint.

What does all this do to the Eclipse Awards, if anyone give a crap about those. Turf has seperate divisions, but are we supposed to pretend that dirt and synthetic are the same? Keeneland this weekend, in addition the The Big M Cup, tells you all you need to know about the dirt/synthetic comapison.