Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year?

[10 pnt move up]

The purple cloths, and purlple and white are in general the brand of the breeders cup, I think they are more concerned with that then the player. I look at silks anyways.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

The purple cloths, and purlple and white are in general the brand of the breeders cup, I think they are more concerned with that then the player. I look at silks anyways.

great for win bets.

but when i have 5 horses in a leg of a multi or multiple horses for 3rd in a tri i miss the simplicity of a color/number that's ingrained.

it actually feels like the lottery with all purple. i have no f'in idea in a loud crowd what the announcer is saying.

all purple is the triumph of the horse racing is a "sport" argument over "gambling". no one who bets understands this.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

The purple cloths, and purple and white are in general the brand of the breeders cup, I think they are more concerned with that then the player. I look at silks anyways.

It is another example of how little energy is devoted to the comfort of the fans and their ability to follow a race as it is run. The "Let them eat cake" mentality
prevails while the handle everywhere else in the sport this year is down.

Hopefully one day the BC brain trust will actually come to believe that the event actually needs to be marketed to the comfort of the bettors if they want to maximize the handle they enjoy. The argument that bettors will play no matter what is not completely true and hopefully is proven this year when popular trainers like Mott and others stay home and hopefully the antipoly players stay away enough to get the Empires attention.

[Kasept]

If you haven't seen Steve Crist's most recent zippy column, it takes dead aim at the silly braying for various horses to run in the Breeders' Cup "for the good of the game". For instance, John Pricci had one of those impassioned and idiotic calls for Zenyatta to run in the Classic that I thought was a particularly special display of grandstanding. Crist cuts to the core and is especially right here:

The theory seems to be that horsemen should ignore their own expert opinions about what would be best for their horses and run them where they don't really want to, because somehow this will send horse racing to the top of the charts and energize an apathetic general public.

When it comes to virtually any aspect of the game's qualities or deficiencies, Crist consistently can be counted upon to get it right and express it best. His work alone makes the DRF Plus subscription worthwhile...

Spare me, please, 'For the good of the game'
By STEVEN CRIST

http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do?NID=98991

NEW YORK - In these final days before the Breeders' Cup pre-entry deadline Tuesday, we've been hearing a lot about how various owners have a duty or obligation about if and when to run their horses under the banner of "for the good of the game."

This is why Curlin is supposed to run in the Classic despite his handlers' lack of enthusiasm for racing on a new synthetic track; why Zenyatta is supposed to take on the boys instead of being odds-on in the Ladies' Classic; why Commentator and Vineyard Haven and even Zarkava should be entered despite their connections' clear preference to call it a year.

In a sort of twisted version of "My country, right or wrong," owners and trainers are supposed to participate in and support the Breeders' Cup because this will draw more television viewers, create new fans, and attract hordes of new advertisers and sponsors.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Like the avatar.... the classic Philadelphia Athletics logo from the Connie Mack era, the "White Elephant"

[Buckpasser]

For the good of the game? Then why is the BC at SA this year and next?

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by Kasept

If you haven't seen Steve Crist's most recent zippy column, it takes dead aim at the silly braying for various horses to run in the Breeders' Cup "for the good of the game". For instance, John Pricci had one of those impassioned and idiotic calls for Zenyatta to run in the Classic that I thought was a particularly special display of grandstanding. Crist cuts to the core and is especially right here:

The theory seems to be that horsemen should ignore their own expert opinions about what would be best for their horses and run them where they don't really want to, because somehow this will send horse racing to the top of the charts and energize an apathetic general public.

When it comes to virtually any aspect of the game's qualities or deficiencies, Crist consistently can be counted upon to get it right and express it best. His work alone makes the DRF Plus subscription worthwhile...

Spare me, please, 'For the good of the game'
By STEVEN CRIST

http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do?NID=98991

NEW YORK - In these final days before the Breeders' Cup pre-entry deadline Tuesday, we've been hearing a lot about how various owners have a duty or obligation about if and when to run their horses under the banner of "for the good of the game."

This is why Curlin is supposed to run in the Classic despite his handlers' lack of enthusiasm for racing on a new synthetic track; why Zenyatta is supposed to take on the boys instead of being odds-on in the Ladies' Classic; why Commentator and Vineyard Haven and even Zarkava should be entered despite their connections' clear preference to call it a year.

In a sort of twisted version of "My country, right or wrong," owners and trainers are supposed to participate in and support the Breeders' Cup because this will draw more television viewers, create new fans, and attract hordes of new advertisers and sponsors.

What will draw more television viewers, create new fans, and attract hordes of new advertisers and sponsors is a competent marketing strategy. There is so much that can be done to bring in the young, old, female, and male. It is a perfect sport for Radio. Ideal! But, aside from your far too limited week day show Steve that is all we have.
They can never seem to get there heads around the idea that the owners and trainers are already doing their part by putting the best trained athlete's out there. Makes me crazy. I am going out there anyway. I love watching the championships whether they will actually crown one or not. The entire two days being around a community of horse players and horse lovers does it for me.

[Cannon Shell]

Maybe I am in the minority and i didn't read Pricci's article but running Zenyatta in the Classic isnt really that bad of an idea is it? I understand they have Tiago but she could sweep to horse of the year if she were to win the race couldnt she? She is proven over the surface unlike the other main contenders so she certainly has the home field advantage. I dont think that her going in the Classic would draw more than 12 extra fans or coverage and I dont think it would have any "effect on the sport" but I would be interested to see how she matches up against the big boys.

[blackthroatedwind]

In the Land of the Blind the One Eyed Man is King.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

In the Land of the Blind the One Eyed Man is King.

At least the one eyed man can see over the dashboard without a booster seat

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

In the Land of the Blind the One Eyed Man is King.

Great book.

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Maybe I am in the minority and i didn't read Pricci's article but running Zenyatta in the Classic isnt really that bad of an idea is it? I understand they have Tiago but she could sweep to horse of the year if she were to win the race couldnt she? She is proven over the surface unlike the other main contenders so she certainly has the home field advantage. I dont think that her going in the Classic would draw more than 12 extra fans or coverage and I dont think it would have any "effect on the sport" but I would be interested to see how she matches up against the big boys.

I think the same Chuck..She's beaten everything in the female divison..Why not take a shot at the boys? So many before have zig-zagged around it and we never really ever got to see they could have..She looks to be somethng special and one that could very well beat Curlin and Big Brown etc.

Course then, we'd be crying out for a match-up between her and Zarkava

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas

I think the same Chuck..She's beaten everything in the female divison..Why not take a shot at the boys? So many before have zig-zagged around it and we never really ever got to see they could have..She looks to be somethng special and one that could very well beat Curlin and Big Brown etc.

Course then, we'd be crying out for a match-up between her and Zarkava

I'm not saying that she should or is even good enough but it isnt that much of a stretch to see her in there. Though the good of the sport theory is laughable since virtually no one outside of hardcore fans have even heard of her before.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Maybe I am in the minority and i didn't read Pricci's article but running Zenyatta in the Classic isnt really that bad of an idea is it? I understand they have Tiago but she could sweep to horse of the year if she were to win the race couldnt she? She is proven over the surface unlike the other main contenders so she certainly has the home field advantage. I dont think that her going in the Classic would draw more than 12 extra fans or coverage and I dont think it would have any "effect on the sport" but I would be interested to see how she matches up against the big boys.

I'm with you, I don't think it's a stretch at all to run her. She'd be 3rd or 4th choice, at worst, for a $5mm race.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by philcski

I'm with you, I don't think it's a stretch at all to run her. She'd be 3rd or 4th choice, at worst, for a $5mm race.

If Curlins' connections decide to pass, it's going to be the weakest Classic field ever. Id give it a shot if I owned her. That being said, if Curlin goes Id stick with the Distaff.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Maybe I am in the minority and i didn't read Pricci's article but running Zenyatta in the Classic isnt really that bad of an idea is it? I understand they have Tiago but she could sweep to horse of the year if she were to win the race couldnt she? She is proven over the surface unlike the other main contenders so she certainly has the home field advantage. I dont think that her going in the Classic would draw more than 12 extra fans or coverage and I dont think it would have any "effect on the sport" but I would be interested to see how she matches up against the big boys.

If this were Europe or Australia, there would be no question; a female horse who has run out of competition among fillies and/or mares naturally takes on the males. Like Zarkava did in the Arc. And Pride, who was second a couple of years ago. And like Sunline did, and Makybe Diva, who became the first 3-time winner of the Melbourne Cup, did. We used to do it in the USA, too, and not that long ago. Easy Goer's dam Relaxing ran third to John Henry in the JC Gold Cup.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Maybe I am in the minority and i didn't read Pricci's article but running Zenyatta in the Classic isnt really that bad of an idea is it? I understand they have Tiago but she could sweep to horse of the year if she were to win the race couldnt she? She is proven over the surface unlike the other main contenders so she certainly has the home field advantage. I dont think that her going in the Classic would draw more than 12 extra fans or coverage and I dont think it would have any "effect on the sport" but I would be interested to see how she matches up against the big boys.

I don't have a strong opinion either way, yet. I'll see after the entries and see how the field looks. Sure, you can make a case for it. I wouldn't hold it against an owner if he did it for ego or for sportsmanship. I agree it's not about drawing more extra fans -- and if Curlin vs. Big Brown did, it would be short-lived at best. Of course as many know, that is not the solution.

I don't think any of it -- not one day -- will have an effect on the sport. It's the difference between a diet and a lifestyle change. "They" will get it one day. When they need so much else in order to survive.

I think Crist hit the nail -- dead center perfect -- right on the head.

Eric

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Maybe I am in the minority and i didn't read Pricci's article but running Zenyatta in the Classic isnt really that bad of an idea is it? I understand they have Tiago but she could sweep to horse of the year if she were to win the race couldnt she? She is proven over the surface unlike the other main contenders so she certainly has the home field advantage. I dont think that her going in the Classic would draw more than 12 extra fans or coverage and I dont think it would have any "effect on the sport" but I would be interested to see how she matches up against the big boys.

They can't bear to watch Tiago get smoked.. What does horse of the year mean? Who cares about this crap do trainers get some type of monetary perk for winning HOY? i

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

They can't bear to watch Tiago get smoked.. What does horse of the year mean? Who cares about this crap do trainers get some type of monetary perk for winning HOY? i

Trainers rarely get monetary perks for anything.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by freddymo

They can't bear to watch Tiago get smoked.. What does horse of the year mean? Who cares about this crap do trainers get some type of monetary perk for winning HOY? i

hoy can add to a horses stud fee-it usually will, altho i think if curlin was to win again he wouldn't see his fee increase, i think he's topped out in that respect. some trainers have gotten a share of a stallion, so yeah, it could pay off if the fee is elevated. then there's getting some publicity for the award, and possibly more owners will send their horses as a result. it sure can't hurt!