The ever INNOVATIVE Kent D

[Scav]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

hes not right as of late..after he made all that money in the tc hes not riding very well...mott about to comit suicide..needs to dump him and use garcia or corny again........

I don't recall Mott ever riding Garcia, but Corny would do Mott some good.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Scav

I don't recall Mott ever riding Garcia, but Corny would do Mott some good.

yes thats what i meant..thanks scav..

[dalakhani]

I agree with you guys...he isnt right and hasnt been for a while.

Let me ask you guys this. Mott has been going through a cold spell (so has zayat for that matter). Do you think that maybe it could be the other way around? Maybe Kent is getting stuck with a bunch of Mott horses that arent in a position to win right now?

Mott does employ other riders and its not like any of them are lighting things up right now when they are on Mott horses.

Im not saying that this is definitely the case im just wondering if you guys think that it may be a possiblity.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I agree with you guys...he isnt right and hasnt been for a while.

Let me ask you guys this. Mott has been going through a cold spell (so has zayat for that matter). Do you think that maybe it could be the other way around? Maybe Kent is getting stuck with a bunch of Mott horses that arent in a position to win right now?

Mott does employ other riders and its not like any of them are lighting things up right now when they are on Mott horses.

Im not saying that this is definitely the case im just wondering if you guys think that it may be a possiblity.

very possible imo

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

he will have a great belmont./keenland

[LARHAGE]

Personally I thought War Monger should have won Saturday, exactly how long did he need to be strangled into deep stretch before he releases and gets the jump on the closers?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

Personally I thought War Monger should have won Saturday, exactly how long did he need to be strangled into deep stretch before he releases and gets the jump on the closers?

"And War Monger is STILL in hand at the 1/4 pole", is how the CLUELESS Durkin described it. If Kent moves when you and the GOUT POSTER BOY expected him to, he doesn't even get 2nd (as he'd have completely collapsed the race).

The timing of his move was perfect; the race dynamics just didn't work out for him.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Kent always does things his own way and he's always forging new 'trends' in riding. His newest is the WIDE trip on the pacesetter (especially on the turf). This is where rather than keeping the horse as close as possible to the rail, he has it WIDE. Now, this has caught on nicely with the rest of the idiots, and Prado and Johnny V (who shits his pants at the thought of actually going INSIDE a horse) are also starting to use it. Of course, when others use it, they try to get to the rail by the turn. Kent doesn't care: he stays WIDE through the turn and the stretch. **** saving ground.

Example: today's 3rd on Jazz Nation. Kent's in the 4 path and Johnny V is to his outside.

I mean, in a way I can understand how he wants to take some of the advantage away from the drafters; but the cost is just not worth it, as it completely wrecks races.

The only thing I object to is that you seem to be saying that Kent D is starting this trend. As I'm sure you already know, Mike Smith has been throwing in the occasional "racing needlessly wide on the lead" rides for years. His ride on Lion Heart in the '04 Preakness is just the most famous of a move Smith has done fairly often over the years. Of course, the interesting thing about that race is that Smith's ride that day wasn't nearly as bad as Chop Chop's, who rode Song of the Sword as if he thought the colt could equal Secretariat's insane move in the '73 Preakness.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Jockeys are idiots not intelligent. Have you considered that maybe Mike Smith, like many other jockeys, couldnt hold the rail around the turn especially when trying to think?

FTFH

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

"And War Monger is STILL in hand at the 1/4 pole", is how the CLUELESS Durkin described it. If Kent moves when you and the GOUT POSTER BOY expected him to, he doesn't even get 2nd (as he'd have completely collapsed the race).

The timing of his move was perfect; the race dynamics just didn't work out for him.

you are unreal, kent could have cut him loose earlier, i am a huge Kent D fan, not a basher, but he could have let War Monger run a bit sooner, he ran the race of his life and gets beat ? Should not go down that way, not with a horse as talented as War Monger, who i expect big things from this fall.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by hrfan

you are unreal, kent could have cut him loose earlier, i am a huge Kent D fan, not a basher, but he could have let War Monger run a bit sooner, he ran the race of his life and gets beat ? Should not go down that way, not with a horse as talented as War Monger, who i expect big things from this fall.

Is Commentator going to win the BC Classic?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by hrfan

you are unreal, kent could have cut him loose earlier, i am a huge Kent D fan, not a basher, but he could have let War Monger run a bit sooner, he ran the race of his life and gets beat ? Should not go down that way, not with a horse as talented as War Monger, who i expect big things from this fall.

When I happen to be at my local OTB, I always find myself yelling 'WAIT' while the IDIOTS are yelling for the jock to 'GO'. More often than not the jock 'listens' to them, with the expected outcome. Then the MOFO's are walking around clueless as to why they lost.

I'm gonna slap your present DUMBASS on ignore 'cause I definitely have no use for anything you have to say (as I didn't in the past).

At some point, you might STFD and STFU and you just might learn something.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

When I happen to be at my local OTB, I always find myself yelling 'WAIT' while the IDIOTS are yelling for the jock to 'GO'. More often than not the jock 'listens' to them, with the expected outcome. Then the MOFO's are walking around clueless as to why they lost.

I'm gonna slap your present DUMBASS on ignore 'cause I definitely have no use for anything you have to say (as I didn't in the past).

At some point, you might STFD and STFU and you just might learn something.

There are few people at your level, Fat_Man. Many of us should be taking notes.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Is this a trivia question?

I'm going with April 17, 1971.

Nope, I was born on July 26th, 1950. I've been told the word was invented on that day for some reason. Always wondered.......

Might learn how to b.itch like a real woman.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

hes not right as of late..after he made all that money in the tc hes not riding very well...mott about to comit suicide..needs to dump him and use garcia or corny again........

Bris PPs for Sunday's card show him at 56/2-10-10 for the current Saratoga meet. Horses are hitting the board, just not getting to the winners' circle.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Obviously his job is to do a little more than ride the horses around the track although how much more is debatable. That wasnt my point.

My point was that his impact or any jockey's impact is truly overrated in regards to an individual race and completely overrated if one is to say that Kent D is "a symbol of much that is wrong in the game today".

Kent not following instructions, riding out to the wire or providing feedback really has no impact on the game as a whole. If kent's performance is that bad, trainers wont ride him any longer and the show will go on.

And why do you think he came out here in the first place? He wasn't getting mounts out there. Let me change my word symbol to reflect my meaning. He symbolizes much that is wrong with the sport. However I doubt that will help anything. Some folks just like to argue.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Im well aware of kent's problems with riding out to the wire and how far that goes back which is way back into the early 90's. Im also aware of ramifications of the super and triple bets. Again, this has nothing to do with my original point.

Kent or any other jockey's impact on the game/sport/industry of horse racing is extremely tiny. He is not a symbol of anything in my opinion. He is a jockey that is extremely skilled and puts in rides that are at times brilliant and at other times baffling.

I read the following in a editoral in the Bloodhorse a couple of years ago. I then checked it out and found that it is indeed true. McCarron has a class at his jockey school in Kentucky. He focus's on the impact of a jockey's ride on not only the outcome of a given race but the money lost by owners and breeders. His example? A race about 2 years ago at Toga when Kent was on Capote's Crown. He didn't ride the horse out in a Grade 1, missed third by a photo. The photo was of him standing up on the horse. He had given up on the horse at the top of the stretch. The horse took him to forth. Your point is what I am concerned about. I think the jock's may excuse away their rides by saying the same thing. Come on, after seeing the Haskell, you mean it never crossed your mind about what could have happened in the Belmont if he didn't give up on the horse? NOT THAT HE WOULD HAVE CAUGHT DA TARA, but didn't you wonder a bit how he may have done?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

I read the following in a editoral in the Bloodhorse a couple of years ago. I then checked it out and found that it is indeed true. McCarron has a class at his jockey school in Kentucky. He focus's on the impact of a jockey's ride on not only the outcome of a given race but the money lost by owners and breeders. His example? A race about 2 years ago at Toga when Kent was on Capote's Crown. He didn't ride the horse out in a Grade 1, missed third by a photo. The photo was of him standing up on the horse. He had given up on the horse at the top of the stretch. The horse took him to forth. Your point is what I am concerned about. I think the jock's may excuse away their rides by saying the same thing. Come on, after seeing the Haskell, you mean it never crossed your mind about what could have happened in the Belmont if he didn't give up on the horse? NOT THAT HE WOULD HAVE CAUGHT DA TARA, but didn't you wonder a bit how he may have done?

This is only Kent's third season at Saratoga so all of this had to have happened since 2006. I dont doubt it happened. My point is that I dont remember the race or the horse and i doubt many others do. It is rather insignificant.

Without being on Big Brown it is impossible for you or I to know what the horse was feeling like. I would imagine after the Eight Belles tragedy that Kent was going to be a little cautious. How do you know that the owner didnt give him "just in case" instructions? It would be extremely ignorant to think that Kent pulled him up because he didnt feel like riding him out.

When I read the critiques on racing forums heaped upon ride after ride I find myself wondering how many critics have EVER been on top of a horse. Sometimes, horses just dont do what you want them to. No matter, if the race doesnt come out like planned, its automatically the jockey's fault. Some rides will be "good" and some "bad" but at the end of the day more times than not the best horse wins.

There are basic laws of business. If your gardner is bad and your yard looks like crap, you find a new gardner. If Kent continuously gives bad rides and is this awful symbol, how does he continue to get good mounts? Are all of these people stupid? Bill Mott stupid?

When I first got to this site all i ever saw was people beating the crap out of Gomez. Now, I dont ever see a word. Did he suddenly learn how to ride? Or is he just getting better horses?

For the record, I am not denying that a ride CAN make a difference in a race. At the same time, the laws of averages kick in.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

When I first got to this site all i ever saw was people beating the crap out of Gomez. Now, I dont ever see a word. Did he suddenly learn how to ride? Or is he just getting better horses?

Most of the Gomez bashing originated from one particular individual, who no longer posts here. I understand your point, but I think that the decline in negative reviews for Gomez in particular has more to do with that individual no longer being here than with anything else.