Discreet Treasure

[blackthroatedwind]

Using a horse that is basically a freak to back up your side of the argument really strengths your case.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I just used him because he's the consensus #1 ranked turf horse right now - and he's a grey who has one grey parent and one non-grey parent.

Like I said - we could go on for hundreds of pages with this.

I'd just like a link with an explanation and evidence.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I just used him because he's the consensus #1 ranked turf horse right now - and he's a grey who has one grey parent and one non-grey parent.

Like I said - we could go on for hundreds of pages with this.

I'd just like a link with an explanation and evidence.

You would like a link?

Unlike you, I actually learn a lot from talking to educated people at the racetrack. I know you're only like thirteen, and don't understand the world outside of the internet, but most people don't talk in links.

There are a lot of different theories, many without links even, and there is usually a differing amount of validity to them, but just because you ( or I ) don't necessarily agree with them doesn't make them compltely discountable.

You would like a link. Funny stuff.

[freddymo]

I think the horse beat a horrendous field. He had a long break in has published works, his fastest work was in Jan in fla. then they had to stop and got him going again 5 months later. Perhaps that will be the issue that makes him a bet against. He is a real large colt and very good looking, the whole family from the mare has been good with of course the brilliant Discreet Cat and the early ok half sisters have since been bred and produced immediately. Apparently the colt has a lot going for him. I believe that the idea that all trainers only start them on turf if they are slow is a bit over rated some trainers think its a better way to introduce young horses to the sport then the main track. A half to Disreet Cat who the owner grabbed 5 mil for after a main track romp didn't make a bunch of sense debutting on grass.

Well the horse already has any appointment with mares in the future. He is only racing now to see which ones he will be attending to in a 18 months the special ones or the ones could have been special.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You would like a link. Funny stuff.

Stick up your nose and go to the off-topic smack card all you want.

I just want to hear a rational case made for what you said.

The original comment was about a horse sired by El Prado.

None of El Prado's best offspring (Artie Schiller, Kitten's Joy, Medeglia D' Oro, and Borrego) were grey.

However, his millionaire son Chindi was a grey with identical color.

Chindi was 77-18-13-23 lifetime on the dirt - with earnings of over 998K.

He ran 4 times on turf - and never once hit the board.

Discreet Treasure is bred for turf on top and bottom - and is very much likely to be a better turf horse. However, I just don't believe that has anything to do with his sires skin color.

[TheSpyder]

http://209.85.215.104/search?q=cache...nk&cd=10&gl=us

[10 pnt move up]

this is highly entertaining.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

this is highly entertaining.

Yeah...in the same sense of watching the geeks on the debate team in high school

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Stick up your nose and go to the off-topic smack card all you want.

I just want to hear a rational case made for what you said.

The original comment was about a horse sired by El Prado.

None of El Prado's best offspring (Artie Schiller, Kitten's Joy, Medeglia D' Oro, and Borrego) were grey.

However, his millionaire son Chindi was a grey with identical color.

Chindi was 77-18-13-23 lifetime on the dirt - with earnings of over 998K.

He ran 4 times on turf - and never once hit the board.

Discreet Treasure is bred for turf on top and bottom - and is very much likely to be a better turf horse. However, I just don't believe that has anything to do with his sires skin color.

I would too actually...

Chindi was such a neat horse!

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by GPK

Yeah...in the same sense of watching the geeks on the debate team in high school

I used to engage in sexual relations with a hot debate chix..sex was fun..."I'm cuming" No you aren't" back and forth it was quite the blast.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I used to engage in sexual relations with a hot debate chix..sex was fun..."I'm cuming" No you aren't" back and forth it was quite the blast.

Intelligent, geeky chicks are sexy.

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Why, was his mom a grey?

I assume you must mean the old "bet a grey on a rainy day" angle.

It was the old wet Robsham silks angle..

[hockey2315]

Anyone know what beyer this horse earned?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Anyone know what beyer this horse earned?

Yes, I'm sure at least someone does.

[hockey2315]

Witty.

The man likes to be right.

He has been handicapping and betting for years,
and is obviously very good at it. So I guess it does no harm in
righting a very obvious wrong.

I dont think this complete lack of understanding in what we
know about heredity now, has created a problem thus far.

A real renaissance man.

Its hard to learn "new" ideas when one gets older, I have experienced
this. Or maybe one of my favorite quotes might apply here:
Do not attempt to reason a man out of something he did not reason himself into.

An interesting side note is there are 3 big reasons why male offspring
should be more like their mothers(dams) genetically than the fathers (sires).
No links required. Just science as we know it now, not caveman stuff.

Originally Posted by GPK

Yeah...in the same sense of watching the geeks on the debate team in high school

If there are any breeders on this board that
adhere to BTW priniciples, you got a business based
on 18th century genetics. Kinda scary.

[Bobby Fischer]

It is a popular belief in horseracing that color and markings hint at passing on surface preference.

IIRC in "the works" show for the 2007 bc juvy, the guy was talking about how Wicked Style had socks similar to Trempolino, so that meant he was likely better on turf...

[pick4]

Discreet Treasure is already a three year old. It took a long time to get this one to the racetrack in the afternnon. Hopefully he more robust than his half brother. ElPrado is a good grass sire so I'd prefer to see this one run on the grass. At least we know he can handle the dirt when a race is washed off the turf.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by pgardn

The man likes to be right.

The intent of his post, beyond all the nitpicking by the Texas Instrument-packing Student t-test freaks and Burkenstock wearing Corso/Sagan wannabes, was that this horse, Discreet Treasure, was probably better suited to the turf, and an opportunistic bet-against at very short-odds were he to reappear on a fast main track.

There is a very good chance that he will prove right in this respect.

He has been handicapping and betting for years,
and is obviously very good at it. So I guess it does no harm in
righting a very obvious wrong.

The italicized I assume was the intent of your post...sorry you failed.

Alas, I can't quite come up with a fitting description of your behavior on this Summer's Eve (but I bet you could find it in the feminine needs section of your local Walgreen's)...

I dont think this complete lack of understanding in what we
know about heredity now, has created a problem thus far.

What "we" know? You harvesting fetal stem cells in your spare time? Or do you just, as your screenname suggests, have a massive pea garden?

The irony of this posturing as a latter day Gregor Mendel is that the monk himself died of a kidney infection, making your douche bag-like performance all the more appropriate...

A real renaissance man.

You're just bitter no one here is calling you a Homo Universalis...

I'll grant you the first half of that phrase...not that there's anything wrong with that...

Its hard to learn "new" ideas when one gets older, I have experienced
this. Or maybe one of my favorite quotes might apply here:
Do not attempt to reason a man out of something he did not reason himself into.

Appropriate quote for sure. The same guy suggested people dine on babies, which in a way was the crude origin of stem cell research...

An interesting side note is there are 3 big reasons why male offspring
should be more like their mothers(dams) genetically than the fathers (sires).
No links required. Just science as we know it now, not caveman stuff.

Yeah, its just too bad that (a) handicapping and horse racing itself can never be distilled to an exact science and (b) we aren't strictly talking about genotype here, more so phenotype. Anyone want to revisit the 2004 North American 3yo turf crop to see who the prevailing dominant sire was at the time?

Never mind that concepts such as gene interaction, gene-linkage, and sex-linkage were completely ignored by all the righteous "correctors", which is what essentially was being arrived at (however "incorrect" a path it may have been) with the suggestion that coat color was linked to turf prowess (or stallion performance traits in general).

Oh, and since we are back to the concept of the feminine hy-"gene", how often should we practice this, you know, to avoid that pesky nephritis...