IEAH group

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What's not to admire and respect? Think about it.

Suspensions, so what? That's some kind of attitude. Yeah, who cares about stuff like rules?

I don't have any racing role models.

They almost all get days. They almost all break rules from time to time. What makes him different?

Good for you on the role models thing!

[sumitas]

They have big plans.
http://thoroughbredtimes.com/nationa...Big-Brown.aspx

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

What's not to admire and respect, huh? Dutrow wins huge races in Dubai and Miami on the same day. Wins Derby from 20 post off a wide trip. Trains the top grass miler.

Suspensions? So what. Pletcher, Assmussen, Zito, etc..., all have gotten days. At least he takes his medicine like a man.

Who are your racing role models?

oh my god

There is a lot funny in what you post, some obvious and some less so, but the highlighted part really takes the cake. He actually specifically doesn't " take his medicine like a man. " Aside from mocking it, he also received further suspensions for breaking the rules of his suspension. So, unless you believe that " a man " acts correctly in not accepting punishment, you are just flat out wrong.

Personally I thought Dutrow was great before the Derby and I gained real respect for him. Maybe he was a bit crass.....but the bottom line was that he said his horse was much the best before the race and he was absolutely right. However, that doesn't change history. But, Dutrow never claimed it did. You, on the other hand, are trying your hardest to.

It's not working.

[andrasi]

Im supposed to believe that these guys were shocked and outraged that Mr.Martin was using illegal means to show these amazing form reversals, so shocked that they went to Dutrow. COMMON, they knew what was happening and didnt care! If you give stock to Dutrow at this point you know what youre getting into. How many major races has had the winner come back with a positive? Was Big Brown doctored up who knows but he could of come to back to the winners circle with a needle sticking out of his ass and it would be swept under the rug, this sport gets enough bad press ( Eight Belles) but the Derby winner coming up positive I dont think so.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There is a lot funny in what you post, some obvious and some less so, but the highlighted part really takes the cake. He actually specifically doesn't " take his medicine like a man. " Aside from mocking it, he also received further suspensions for breaking the rules of his suspension. So, unless you believe that " a man " acts correctly in not accepting punishment, you are just flat out wrong.

Personally I thought Dutrow was great before the Derby and I gained real respect for him. Maybe he was a bit crass.....but the bottom line was that he said his horse was much the best before the race and he was absolutely right. However, that doesn't change history. But, Dutrow never claimed it did. You, on the other hand, are trying your hardest to.

It's not working.

Huh?
Got caught. Served time. Got caught while serving time. Parlole Violation! Did more days. And if he got caught during those days,....

You carved up what I said too fine. If the racing world was truly aghast at his transgressions, he and many other aggressive style trainers would not exist. It's really no different than the issue of the Uninsured. If people in position to make change really cared enough to do so, it would change. The fact that it's complicated and states regs rule is just b.s.. If the states, tracks, owners and horsemen wanted change, they'd change. But they don't want change. Dutrow is not the only one. He's just the loudest and most plain spoken. And if he was not hugely successful, no one would care.

Hell of a hockey game going on. Quadruple overtime. I'd like Dallas to win.

What happened to the show? I went to YB/PtW and got last year's.

[The Bid]

Ive personally had a poor experience with IEAH, but find that pretty commonplace in racing.

Them being disliked for straight success is foolish. There are many other reasons to dislike them. What they have done in racing in such a short period of time is very difficult to do, regardless of the amount of money you have. The Arabs have unlimited funds and they havent came close to having the best Turf Miler, Derby winner, and arguably best sprinter in the country all at once. Think about that for a minute.....No matter how much you like, dislike, or cant stand them, and Im in that final group, the feat is remarkable.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Ive personally had a poor experience with IEAH, but find that pretty commonplace in racing.

Them being disliked for straight success is foolish. There are many other reasons to dislike them. What they have done in racing in such a short period of time is very difficult to do, regardless of the amount of money you have. The Arabs have unlimited funds and they havent came close to having the best Turf Miler, Derby winner, and arguably best sprinter in the country all at once. Think about that for a minute.....No matter how much you like, dislike, or cant stand them, and Im in that final group, the feat is remarkable.

What the NY Yankees have done is remarkeable too, but that doesn't stop people from disliking Steinbrenner, or Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. Even assuming all of IEAH's horses are clean, it still doesn't mean you have to "like" them..and that is probably good for horse racing. You need hereos and villians to stir up interest outside the core.

[Better Than Honour]

they are bad for the game just like the arabs are bad for the game. they buy other people's horses after they start racing. this trend of top horses being taken away from trainers is disturbing. curlin, big brown, and all the ieah horses were all trained by somebody else originally. it too reminds me of the yankees just going around and buying up the best talent.

the major concern though with ieah is that they are trying to make the sport profitable and it isn't that easy. you wonder where they will cut corners and what they will be willing to do to turn a profit for their owners if they hit a tough patch, which they will.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

they are bad for the game just like the arabs are bad for the game. they buy other people's horses after they start racing. this trend of top horses being taken away from trainers is disturbing. curlin, big brown, and all the ieah horses were all trained by somebody else originally. it too reminds me of the yankees just going around and buying up the best talent.

the major concern though with ieah is that they are trying to make the sport profitable and it isn't that easy. you wonder where they will cut corners and what they will be willing to do to turn a profit for their owners if they hit a tough patch, which they will.

If you are an owner or trainer and don't reach for the phone if you see Sheik Mo or IEAH in the Caller ID, then you are a better man than most

[philcski]

Originally Posted by GBBob

If you are an owner or trainer and don't reach for the phone if you see Sheik Mo or IEAH in the Caller ID, then you are a better man than most

If they call and want the Colonel for $500k... YOURS.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

I just hate it when people dislike succesful people.
Heck they could have retired Kip Deville after the BC but no they continue for a second title.

Kip Deville isn't retired?? Wow, what do you know. Dutrow's aggressive 3 race campaign planned this year, is pretty much equivalent to retirement for me.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by philcski

If they call and want the Colonel for $500k... YOURS.

Phil..based on your weekend, I'm expecting that offer from YOU

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Huh?
Got caught. Served time. Got caught while serving time. Parlole Violation! Did more days. And if he got caught during those days,....

You carved up what I said too fine. If the racing world was truly aghast at his transgressions, he and many other aggressive style trainers would not exist. It's really no different than the issue of the Uninsured. If people in position to make change really cared enough to do so, it would change. The fact that it's complicated and states regs rule is just b.s.. If the states, tracks, owners and horsemen wanted change, they'd change. But they don't want change. Dutrow is not the only one. He's just the loudest and most plain spoken. And if he was not hugely successful, no one would care.

Hell of a hockey game going on. Quadruple overtime. I'd like Dallas to win.

What happened to the show? I went to YB/PtW and got last year's.

Well, certainly the industry does many things wrong, but that doesn't exonerate anybody who breaks the rules ( whoever they are ). I find that to be flawed logic.

As for the show, we may do one for the Belmont, but I don't know yet. Youbet made a big financial commitment to the show last year and unfortunately 2007 was a tough year for them. Combine that with the fact that I am doing other projects right now and you have a show in limbo. They were great to work with, and I appreciate the opportunity they gave me, and hope we can at least do something together this year. I'll let you know. Thanks for asking.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Danzig

interesting read. i miss ray paulick in the bloodhorse, always enjoyed his thought-provoking articles.

and yeah, dutrow...i posted part of an article elsewhere on here today about him. he's been in trouble every year for the last ten years or so...got a 60 day suspension, and then another 14 days plus a fine for breaking the rules of that suspension. what a group.

To me he can actually write critical pieces on racing without having to worry about sponsors, its a good thing he left.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Heck they could have retired Kip Deville after the BC but no they continue for a second time.

He probably wasn't retired because he's a turf horse whose pedigree (by Kipling) isn't that fashionable. They likely concluded, correctly IMO, that he is worth more to them racing (earnings plus marketability of a high-profile horse) than selling him to the breeding shed. If he was by a fashionable sire, it's doubtful that he'd be racing this year.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

He probably wasn't retired because he's a turf horse whose pedigree (by Kipling) isn't that fashionable. They likely concluded, correctly IMO, that he is worth more to them racing (earnings plus marketability of a high-profile horse) than selling him to the breeding shed. If he was by a fashionable sire, it's doubtful that he'd be racing this year.

I couldn't agree more....and even with that they are planning an aggressive three race campaign for him this year.

One of the best things about turf racing is that turf horses have little to no value as sires and thus we get to see them race for more seasons.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

One of the best things about turf racing is that turf horses have little to no value as sires and thus we get to see them race for more seasons.

maybe another added benefit in socal with synthetics, no one will want them so they will race longer?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

maybe another added benefit in socal with synthetics, no one will want them so they will race longer?

Another benefit? What's the first one?

[10 pnt move up]

ummmmmm

got me there

[jpops757]

The original owner of Kip {50%] is a retired Dallas firefighter who has dabbled in horses in texas and ok for years. He retained 5% of his 50% and has no resentment whatsoever towards IEAH, Why should so many on this board have so much venom when the ownership that sold the horse dosent, IEAH took him along for the successful ride. Another byproduct Is the breader has doubled his stud fee since Kips success. While Kipling is still just a 5figure fee. They bring some of the little guys along with them.