Gossage in, No Rice!

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Using this logic Dick Allen belongs too because his 8 year stretch is better than Rice's especially in light of the fact that some of it was accomplished in the modern day deadball era.

# of top five finishes in the MVP voting:
Allen-2 (won once)
Rice-6 (1)

# of seasons finishing in the top five in HR's:
Allen-4 (2)
Rice-5 (3)

# of seasons finishing in the top five in RBI:
Allen-3 (1)
Rice-7 (2)

# of seasons finishing in the top five in extra base hits:
Allen-6 (3)
Rice-5 (1)

# of seasons finishing in the top five in total bases:
Allen-3 (1)
Rice-5 (4)

# of seasons finishing in the top five in hits:
Allen-1 (0)
Rice-5 (1)

# of seasons finishing in the top five in batting average:
Allen-3 (0)
Rice-4 (0)

# of seasons finishing in the top five in slugging %:
Allen-7 (3)
Rice-5 (2)

I don't know that Allen's stretch was better than Rice's was. I rank them more among their peers than among players from different years. Perhaps Allen's standings, while very good, weren't higher because he competed against better players. That could be. But I don't think that Allen was more dominant among his peers than Rice was over his and that's what I look at.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

# of top five finishes in the MVP voting:
Allen-2 (won once)
Rice-6 (1)

# of seasons finishing in the top five in HR's:
Allen-4 (2)
Rice-5 (3)

# of seasons finishing in the top five in RBI:
Allen-3 (1)
Rice-7 (2)

# of seasons finishing in the top five in extra base hits:
Allen-6 (3)
Rice-5 (1)

# of seasons finishing in the top five in total bases:
Allen-3 (1)
Rice-5 (4)

# of seasons finishing in the top five in hits:
Allen-1 (0)
Rice-5 (1)

# of seasons finishing in the top five in batting average:
Allen-3 (0)
Rice-4 (0)

# of seasons finishing in the top five in slugging %:
Allen-7 (3)
Rice-5 (2)

I don't know that Allen's stretch was better than Rice's was. I rank them more among their peers than among players from different years. Perhaps Allen's standings, while very good, weren't higher because he competed against better players. That could be. But I don't think that Allen was more dominant among his peers than Rice was over his and that's what I look at.

You made my point because there is very little difference between the 2 and Allen is not a Hall of Famer. The "feared" hitter crap is just that. Albert Belle was "feared" and not just because he may run you over in his SUV, and no one is stumping for him. Rice's numbers were aided by the Park he played in and they are barely passable as is. The fact that some questionable guys got in shouldn't just open the floodgates anymore than the fact that modern guys were taking steroids makes older players any better or more worthy. Pretty soon some nutjob will be saying that Steve Garvey should be in. The inclusion of Rice may make him correct.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You made my point because there is very little difference between the 2 and Allen is not a Hall of Famer. The "feared" hitter crap is just that. Albert Belle was "feared" and not just because he may run you over in his SUV, and no one is stumping for him. Rice's numbers were aided by the Park he played in and they are barely passable as is. The fact that some questionable guys got in shouldn't just open the floodgates anymore than the fact that modern guys were taking steroids makes older players any better or more worthy. Pretty soon some nutjob will be saying that Steve Garvey should be in. The inclusion of Rice may make him correct.

good point on Belle. From '93 to '99 he was most likely the best offensive player in the game for a 7 year period. Because he was completely insane, people forget how good he really was. Not a hall of famer or even close though. MO Vaughn getting the MVP in 1995 instead of him was one of the biggest crocks in MLB award history and there have been many of them. Rice never had 7 years like Belle however.