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Old 08-20-2007, 04:34 PM
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PLEASE, dude give this **** up it is f'n annoying as hell.

I'll give you 2/1 that ENGLISH CHANNEL doesn't win another GRADE 1 race in his lifetime, with more then 6 horses in the race, $1 to $100. Bet ends once he is retired, for the first time, because he is the type of so-called stallion that will come back after his runners suck

You place all your ingnorance aside and rewatch everyone of EC's races and then you tell me that JV put him where he needed to be to give him the best chance of winning that race.

You know I am right...quit being a d*ckhead.
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Old 08-20-2007, 04:40 PM
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You place all your ingnorance aside and rewatch everyone of EC's races and then you tell me that JV put him where he needed to be to give him the best chance of winning that race.

You know I am right...quit being a d*ckhead.
Done. WELCOME TO THE FAR EAST EC, PLENTY OF EGG ROLLS FOR YOU HERE!!!
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Old 08-21-2007, 07:29 AM
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I actually agree with Scavs here, not on the stallion stuff, because that's insane, but he's right about the ride. Kev, if he was up near the lead, he wouldn't have hit the board. He never looked like he was a winner at any point and to blame that on Velazquez is incorrect in my opinion. I know we disagree on how fast the race was early, but either way the horse didn't kick in like he usually does. He didn't fire his "A", it happens.

Jay, I still think it was a huge mistake on JV's part to take him that far back. He took him out of his preferred running style and a great majority of the time, when you do that to horses, the chance of them firing their "A" race deminishes a great deal. I could have dealt with EC not hitting the board if Johnny had placed him where he runs best, but he clearly made a mistake taking him that far back.
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Old 08-21-2007, 10:42 AM
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They all make mistakes. JV may have made a mistake on EC but the fact remains that the Pletcher barn is winning at 12% this meet, rather than 25% and that is a significant stat. JV rides first call for Todd and if Todd is leaning to running in a given spot, it's assumed that he has the call. If Todd's horse doesn't go, JV may end up sitting out. If it does go, he's (statistically) not as likely sitting on a "live mount" as he was last year.
That JV has won as many as he has with Todd being cold is testament to his skills and Angel's as well.
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Old 08-20-2007, 03:46 PM
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His ride on English Channel told me everything I needed to know...JV is definitely off form.
Guess he should have stayed at Belmont Kev
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