Arlignton Poly

[The Bid]

They have had 6 fatal breakdowns in the last 6 days of racing. It would seem when you try to speed this surface up it doesnt work. 2 today, yesterday, and a couple other randoms during the week. Have they been reported? If not I would like them to be noted.

[FGFan]

Terrible.
Having Directv I'm not able to watch Arlington on TV as of Weds., been using the computer sometimes.

Speaking of Arlington having breakdowns, seems to me that Monmouth has had a considerable amount of fatal and non-fatal breakdowns too. 2 yesterday in the 6th and 7th, one jock off all mounts today.

So aggravated with all this TVG/HRTV stuff. Feel bad for the Arlington folks to get shut out right before the millions. At least at The Fairgrounds we made it through the whole season.

[Cannon Shell]

As always you must take the situation into consideration. Todays breakdown was a horse who has done nothing but drop in its brief career for a trainer that is 0 for 36 on the year. Yesterday was a banner day for Catalano/Calabrese as they got what they wanted by getting 2 horses claimed off of them that were both dropping on suspicious circumstances. The fact that both brokedown would seem to me to be more of a damnation of these individuals than any track surface. In yesterdays 6th the horse in question was 3/5 dropping to 5k off of a 10k conditioned win. He was claimed for 25k 2 starts back. In the 9th the horse had been waited out of jail and dropped to the bottom. This was this horses third hard drop in a row.

It is unfortunate but these three were prime canidates to have had something drastically wrong with them going into the race.

[NoChanceToDance]

From my experiences of polytrack over here and in america, it's the tracks that are at fault and not the surface itself.

Martin Collins has gone over there and sold it as a maintenance free surface, when it is anything but. The tracks have taken his word for it.

There have been next to no problems on the poly over here since it was laid at Lingfield and Wolverhampton and i find it hard to believe that there is so much mof a difference.

[Riot]

Martin Collins has gone over there and sold it as a maintenance free surface, when it is anything but. The tracks have taken his word for it.

I have never heard claims to, "no maintenance".

Collins' website says, "It provides a safe, durable, high performance, lower maintenance surface."

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Riot

I have never heard claims to, "no maintenance".

Collins' website says, "It provides a safe, durable, high performance, lower maintenance surface."

i've learned that some people are incapable of understanding these words.
in their vocabulary "safe" means that there will never again be a single breakdown, and "lower" maintenance means NO maintenance.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Riot

I have never heard claims to, "no maintenance".

Collins' website says, "It provides a safe, durable, high performance, lower maintenance surface."

I believe "virtually no maintenance" is the phrase that was used to sell it in the first place.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by Riot

I have never heard claims to, "no maintenance".

Collins' website says, "It provides a safe, durable, high performance, lower maintenance surface."

Well, i know for a fact that Turfway don't do enough with their surface, which is more than likely the reason for the problems, which they have had with the poly and it is unlikely that other tracks are doing the same.

If you see the amount of work that goes into the poly over here, you'll probably see why we get very few breakdowns at all.

I cannot see how two almost identical surfaces could react and ride so differently without the problem being to do with the ground staff rather than the surface itself.

Polytrack has been a miracle over here, all the trainers love it and it is so safe.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

As always you must take the situation into consideration. Todays breakdown was a horse who has done nothing but drop in its brief career for a trainer that is 0 for 36 on the year. Yesterday was a banner day for Catalano/Calabrese as they got what they wanted by getting 2 horses claimed off of them that were both dropping on suspicious circumstances. The fact that both brokedown would seem to me to be more of a damnation of these individuals than any track surface. In yesterdays 6th the horse in question was 3/5 dropping to 5k off of a 10k conditioned win. He was claimed for 25k 2 starts back. In the 9th the horse had been waited out of jail and dropped to the bottom. This was this horses third hard drop in a row.

It is unfortunate but these three were prime canidates to have had something drastically wrong with them going into the race.

Hey, what is the jail time, is it standard amount of time at any racetrack?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

As always you must take the situation into consideration. Todays breakdown was a horse who has done nothing but drop in its brief career for a trainer that is 0 for 36 on the year. Yesterday was a banner day for Catalano/Calabrese as they got what they wanted by getting 2 horses claimed off of them that were both dropping on suspicious circumstances. The fact that both brokedown would seem to me to be more of a damnation of these individuals than any track surface. In yesterdays 6th the horse in question was 3/5 dropping to 5k off of a 10k conditioned win. He was claimed for 25k 2 starts back. In the 9th the horse had been waited out of jail and dropped to the bottom. This was this horses third hard drop in a row.

It is unfortunate but these three were prime canidates to have had something drastically wrong with them going into the race.

Like the sun breaking through the clouds....

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Bid

They have had 6 fatal breakdowns in the last 6 days of racing. It would seem when you try to speed this surface up it doesnt work. 2 today, yesterday, and a couple other randoms during the week. Have they been reported? If not I would like them to be noted.

you state that there have been six breakdowns and then ask if they have been reported? what are your sources? i saw a couple mentioned in the local paper, but nothing like six in six days. you also cited breakdowns at Turfway last winter that no one was aware of.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

you state that there have been six breakdowns and then ask if they have been reported? what are your sources? i saw a couple mentioned in the local paper, but nothing like six in six days. you also cited breakdowns at Turfway last winter that no one was aware of.

I know of four fatals recently. Not sure on the other two

[Habersham000]

Are you making up these numbers? Or are you seeing mytical horses breakdown in your mind. There was two yesterday and one today, a second horse today died of a heart attack.....I know the exact number of break downs this year and it is far less then this time last year.


Now is we could clean this sport up and improve the breed while banning all forms of steriods especially with the yearlings and 2 year olds going to auction, along with brute and lasix there would be far less breakdowns all together everywhere.

Originally Posted by The Bid

They have had 6 fatal breakdowns in the last 6 days of racing. It would seem when you try to speed this surface up it doesnt work. 2 today, yesterday, and a couple other randoms during the week. Have they been reported? If not I would like them to be noted.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Habersham000

Are you making up these numbers? Or are you seeing mytical horses breakdown in your mind. There was two yesterday and one today, a second horse today died of a heart attack.....I know the exact number of break downs this year and it is far less then this time last year.

The answer is yes to both questions. He has a single agenda, bash polytrack at every opportunity, and facts do not get in his way.

[SentToStud]

My question is, does Polytrack itself, when exposed to very hot weather, retain heat to a greater extent than dirt?

I would think that when we see dirt tracks watered on warmer days, that in addition to keeping the dust down, the secondary effect is some release of heat.

I would guess that the physical temperature of Polytrack is higher given its makeup. That could certainly lead to more ontrack trauma.

Anyone know? Where's Quincy when we need him?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Habersham000

Now is we could clean this sport up and improve the breed while banning all forms of steriods especially with the yearlings and 2 year olds going to auction, along with brute and lasix there would be far less breakdowns all together everywhere.

Staements like this usually do more harm to the sport than go about solving any real issues. Blanket statements without evidence causes more disinformation to be taken as truth to the detriment of all of us.

Bute has been used on horses since the 60's, well before the "deteration" of the breed and I would love to see evidence that Lasix causes more breakdowns.

[ArlJim78]

I didn't even know they used brute on horses. must help to control the smell.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I didn't even know they used brute on horses. must help to control the smell.

yeah, arlignton allows brute...but other jurisdictions frown on it. allerjees and all that.

[deltagulf]

i say it was bad horses with problems and not the race surface.