Garret Gomez sucks

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

He strangles the **** out of Wait a While behind a crawling leader, then doesn't do **** to slow Dream Rush down on the front end? That's not bogus to you? And he had Hard Spun all over the f'ing track, man.

1st of all what were you doing betting Wait a While at that price? She was cutting back to a distance that she has never won at and the winner had the inside post and the pace advantage. If he goes head and head do you think she would have won? What other choice did he have? Perhaps he waited a bit too long before he ran at the other filly but I have my doubts that she is better than her at that distance anyway. Dream Rush had no excuse, Cotton Blossom ran huge. Hard Spun had no excuse.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

1st of all what were you doing betting Wait a While at that price? She was cutting back to a distance that she has never won at and the winner had the inside post and the pace advantage. If he goes head and head do you think she would have won? What other choice did he have? Perhaps he waited a bit too long before he ran at the other filly but I have my doubts that she is better than her at that distance anyway. Dream Rush had no excuse, Cotton Blossom ran huge. Hard Spun had no excuse.

but you can bet your sweet patootie porter will come up with one.


i bet he didn't like the track.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but you can bet your sweet patootie porter will come up with one.


i bet he didn't like the track.

and I would be amazed if he ever races again.....

Can you imagine the lashing he would take if he said that again....I really hope he does..

[golfer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

1st of all what were you doing betting Wait a While at that price? She was cutting back to a distance that she has never won at and the winner had the inside post and the pace advantage. If he goes head and head do you think she would have won? What other choice did he have? Perhaps he waited a bit too long before he ran at the other filly but I have my doubts that she is better than her at that distance anyway. Dream Rush had no excuse, Cotton Blossom ran huge. Hard Spun had no excuse.

Chuck, those are all fair points... and Garret Gomez STILL SUCKS!
(we need an emoticon for bitterness)

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

1st of all what were you doing betting Wait a While at that price? She was cutting back to a distance that she has never won at and the winner had the inside post and the pace advantage. If he goes head and head do you think she would have won? What other choice did he have? Perhaps he waited a bit too long before he ran at the other filly but I have my doubts that she is better than her at that distance anyway. Dream Rush had no excuse, Cotton Blossom ran huge. Hard Spun had no excuse.

I didn't bet Wait a While at that price. And his other choice was to let her run and not snuggle her into My Typhoon's asscrack expecting her to backtrack after running :25 and :50. Dream Rush didn't have an excuse after going :22, :45 and 1:09? I'll keep that in mind next time any horse folds after running scorching fractions like those.. "No excuse".. Cotton Blossom plodded past a tired horse. If one of your horses ever gets a trip like Hard Spun did, I'd like to hear you say that the horse had no excuse. Not saying it was all Gomez' fault, but he was supposed to be an improvement over Pino, and he was just as bad if not worse.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

but he was supposed to be an improvement over Pino, and he was just as bad if not worse.

I think the over/under on how far Gomez could move-up Hard Spun was five inches.....I guess the under won that prop?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I didn't bet Wait a While at that price. And his other choice was to let her run and not snuggle her into My Typhoon's asscrack expecting her to backtrack after running :25 and :50. Dream Rush didn't have an excuse after going :22, :45 and 1:09? I'll keep that in mind next time any horse folds after running scorching fractions like those.. "No excuse".. Cotton Blossom plodded past a tired horse. If one of your horses ever gets a trip like Hard Spun did, I'd like to hear you say that the horse had no excuse. Not saying it was all Gomez' fault, but he was supposed to be an improvement over Pino, and he was just as bad if not worse.

based upon the speed of the track today I would say that a 45 second half would not be out of line for that kind of race. Especially since she was doing it under no pressure. I would say she bounced off of a huge effort last time but Andy will get pissed off at me. I think Gomez rode overconfident on WaW but IMO there was almost no scenario that looked like it would play to her advantage in that field. What excuse did Hard Spun have? He was empty at the 1/2 mile pole. Better jockeys are insignifigant if the horse is in the wrong race.

[Bernardini]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Sorry, just letting off a little steam, but I'd like someone to find me three worse rides in one day than his gems on Wait a While, Dream Rush and Hard Spun today.

GG might be, but tell me about Hard Spun, what are we to do with this colt?? what is his style ?? a stocker? or a pace setter? either way, better horses ran him down.. you saw !!

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Sorry, just letting off a little steam, but I'd like someone to find me three worse rides in one day than his gems on Wait a While, Dream Rush and Hard Spun today.

How about Johnny V though??? He's the guy that's been riding bad?!..??

[golfer]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Sorry, just letting off a little steam, but I'd like someone to find me three worse rides in one day than his gems on Wait a While, Dream Rush and Hard Spun today.

I agree completely. He sucked on Derby Day, and he sucked today (and I too am letting off some steam).

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Sorry, just letting off a little steam, but I'd like someone to find me three worse rides in one day than his gems on Wait a While, Dream Rush and Hard Spun today.

What????

Wait a While stalked a crawling pace and was dreadful ( I bet her career is over ). Dream Rush ran well in hand and collapsed.....looking like the distance got her. Both these horses were 3:5 for God's sakes. Not Gomez's fault at all that they lost......just as he wouldn't have deserved any credit had they won.


Now, on Hard Spun.....while the tactics were probably foolish, and his best chance ( not that he had any ) was perhaps to try and bottom out the field, do you honestly think Gomez made the decision to ride him that way? Highly unlikely.

[docicu3]

And so the question begs asking.........

What determines ,other than order of finish, what a good ride is???

It would certainly be helpful to me to understand what charcterizes a "good ride" per say. If a jockey on a horse who finshed 3rd or 4th is there an objective set of criteria that all would agree with that would glorify an effort or is it more like a piece of art in the eye of the beholder.

[Rupert Pupkin]

The bottom line is that none of those 3 horses would have won today no matter how they were ridden. I have no problem criticizing a jock if they cost a horse the race, but GG did not cost any of those horses the race.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The bottom line is that none of those 3 horses would have won today no matter how they were ridden. I have no problem criticizing a jock if they cost a horse the race, but GG did not cost any of those horses the race.

I think you're absolutely dead wrong.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

dream rush yes wait awile for sure...waitawile was a joke he was over confedent thet when they turned for home he would blow by,,imo.....and joey.....you betta talk now mon

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I think you're absolutely dead wrong.

Let's say that John Velaquez would have ridden all 3 of those horses yesterday. Which of those horses would have won?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by docicu3

And so the question begs asking.........

What determines ,other than order of finish, what a good ride is???

IMO, a "good ride" is when a jockey simply makes an effort to put his horse in a position to be successful. After he does that, the rest is up to the horse.

There are times when jockeys will end up in can't win type situations...they might have a need-the-lead type, in a race with four other speeds. They might be breaking from an inside post on a dead-rail track, and end up finding themselves unable to reasonably work their way outside. They might be on a deep closer in a race void of speed. When off the pace, and unable to get out into the clear---they might choose to follow a well-bet rival who appears to have horse..and if it turns out that rival doesn't have horse, they might find themselves in a bad situation.

However, in most cases, a rider should be able to put his horse in a spot that fairly suits him....especially if he's riding a tactically gifted horse.

IMO,a "great ride" is when a jockey steals a race---or does something either tactically brilliant....or works out a perfect trip in a situation where the likelyhood of having a perfect trip is slim.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What????

Wait a While stalked a crawling pace and was dreadful ( I bet her career is over ). Dream Rush ran well in hand and collapsed.....looking like the distance got her. Both these horses were 3:5 for God's sakes. Not Gomez's fault at all that they lost......just as he wouldn't have deserved any credit had they won.


Now, on Hard Spun.....while the tactics were probably foolish, and his best chance ( not that he had any ) was perhaps to try and bottom out the field, do you honestly think Gomez made the decision to ride him that way? Highly unlikely.

I don't think it was Gomez' decision to ride that way. They replaced one rider already because they thought he moved too early. This was the plan going in....to wait and wait and wait. I knew he had no chance to win when I saw how close Curlin and Rags were to him down the backstretch. I said then that I thought Pino made the right move to try and take the race at the point that he did. That horse had no chance of outrunning them down the lane so his only chance would have been opening up as much as he could.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Now, on Hard Spun.....while the tactics were probably foolish, and his best chance ( not that he had any ) was perhaps to try and bottom out the field, do you honestly think Gomez made the decision to ride him that way? Highly unlikely.

The final time in the Acorn was over 54 seconds faster than the Belmont Stakes...which is obviously four furlongs further.

I guess that speaks volumes about how amazingly slow the pace was in the Belmont Stakes.

How do you think Street Sense would have faired in such a ridiculously run race?

I'm struggling with that question myself....but it would very likely have depended upon where he was placed. His turn of foot is obviously clearly superior to anyone in that field...but he'd have needed to have been very close to the pace for his weapon to be most effective.

It would have been very interesting if Curlin had won, going from a facile wire-to-wire debut winner sprinting in February, to having to better a 23.83 second final quarter mile, in a 12 furlong stake, just four months later.

I still haven't gone back and re-watched the races yet....but there seem to be a lot of interesting things to think about just as I start to look over the charts.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What????

Wait a While stalked a crawling pace and was dreadful ( I bet her career is over ). Dream Rush ran well in hand and collapsed.....looking like the distance got her. Both these horses were 3:5 for God's sakes. Not Gomez's fault at all that they lost......just as he wouldn't have deserved any credit had they won.


Now, on Hard Spun.....while the tactics were probably foolish, and his best chance ( not that he had any ) was perhaps to try and bottom out the field, do you honestly think Gomez made the decision to ride him that way? Highly unlikely.

Andy, you are probably right on all counts, and after having a day to think about this, I would have to say... Garrett Gomez SUCKS!
He rode Hard Spun like he was pissed he wasn't on the Filly. Followed directions to a T, but do you really think 3-4 wide, while being choked on a 50 second first half mile is what Larry Jones had in mind? That said, I do totally agree he was not winning that race under any scenario. He did nothing to injure the horse, but he never should have been allowed to ride under those circumstances to begin with.
My opinion of GG is not based on just yesterday, but on a big pile of discarded tickets over the years (or at least my perception of such).