Chosen One 4 MVP Fans

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

And that 8-4 stretch without Varejao was without Varejao AND Pavlovic and with James...so for you to go into the 0-7 was without Varejao AND Pavlovic when Pavlovic was actually playing is about 22 IQ level stuff. You are the dumbest human being on the planet.

They have a sample of going 8-4 with James and without both V and Pavlovic yet you somehow think the 0-7 without James was misleading. You are the dumbest human being on the planet.

As you have already pointed out...it would have been better to play the great Donnyell than Sasha at that time.









Let me know when James can nail a sizzling 80% of his free throws and a drop dead 38% on his 3's.



And play a little defense instead of that 43 man squamish stuff.




Ya might add playing more point and more decoy instead of ball hog at any cost.

[horseofcourse]

Quiz Avery...what was the Cavs record without Varejao and Pavlovic at the same time with LeBron playing??

What was the Cavs record without LeBron playing??

It's quite easy. I have stated it many times here on this page. Can you do it?? Can you answer this quiz?? I play your quiz games...but you can't play can you!!

That is the difference between me and you. I am smart and you are dumb.

You are beyond dumb at this point.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

As you have already pointed out...it would have been better to play the great Donnyell than Sasha at that time.









Let me know when James can nail a sizzling 80% of his free throws and a drop dead 38% on his 3's.



And play a little defense instead of that 43 man squamish stuff.




Ya might add playing more point and more decoy instead of ball hog at any cost.

Ok...when you let me know you're not a moron!! Cant' see that as ever happening however.

[horseofcourse]

I'm actually debating with the dumbest person on the planet. I guess I trump him on the dumbness category. I'm vaporized again!!! HOO_RAHHH

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I give up with this azzhole already.




Do me a favor and go fucl< the guy then.













OK?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

I give up with this azzhole already.




Do me a favor and go fucl< the guy then.













OK?

What was their record without both Varejao and Pavlovic with LeBron playing??

Simply can't do it can you!!!!! You can't get your little pea brain to state it can you??? It isn't hard.

[horseofcourse]

Vapor trails.

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You have really pissed me off ,sir, with your fractured fairy tales.





If this guy played the game Majic Johnson did the Cavs would be a whole lot better...on this very team.THEN 4TH Q play would be TEAM play and not the LeBron James bullsh!it show. THEN players would get use to playing like a team and other guys could contribute heavily and take and make game winning shots.


Until the TEAM takes the game back from the KING---this is what you will continue to get....scoring and triple double leader with no titles.


It don't git much fucl<in' simpler than that.




22 points a game.......14 assists a game and 5-6 rebounds a game and the Cavs beome an elite team.....becuase HE finally chose to play a TEAM and not a ME game.

[horseofcourse]

More fairy tales...what is the Cavs record playing without both V and Pavlovic and with LeBron on the floor since that was the main point of your debate here??

What is their record under those circumstances??

What is their record without LeBron??

Whether there is validity to your 14 assist per game point would make them the best team in the world is for another time. I simply want you to answer me these two questions. Can you do it??

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

More fairy tales...what is the Cavs record playing without both V and Pavlovic and with LeBron on the floor since that was the main point of your debate here??

What is their record under those circumstances??

What is their record without LeBron??

Whether there is validity to your 14 assist per game point would make them the best team in the world is for another time. I simply want you to answer me these two questions. Can you do it??

You ran from 0-7!!


I never mentioned it...you did!



And you lied!


Now you run to this mess!....Like ALL WITNESSES do!









Let history tell. If James continues to be selfish...the Cavs will continue to underacheive. You can't have a hotdog shooting 25-30 times a game while the 7-3 center shoots 7-8....for one example.



Let's hear you answer how many nba titles they've won WITH him?

And that answer ain't about to change this year---either.


Booby Knight would throw you IN the chair across the floor.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

You ran from 0-7!!


I never mentioned it...you did!



And you lied!


Now you run to this mess!....Like ALL WITNESSES do!









Let history tell. If James continues to be selfish...the Cavs will continue to underacheive. You can't have a hotdog shooting 25-30 times a game while the 7-3 center shoots 7-8....for one example.



Let's hear you answer how many nba titles they've won WITH him?

And that answer ain't about to change this year---either.


Booby Knight would throw you IN the chair across the floor.

What is their record without Varejao and Pavlovic with LEBron on the floor??

STate it dumb man. STate it dimwit...State it dim bulb. state it smartman...you really can't do it can you??

(where did I lie??)

By the way Ilgauskas is shooting 47.5 percent not even up to the clangers standards. He is not an 86 percent field goal shooter.

[horseofcourse]

THe hot dog is shooting 22 times per game...not 25-30. But what's 5 shots per game amongst friends!!!

[horseofcourse]

How many eastern conference championships did they win without James??

How many eastern conference championships have they won with James??

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I wll now let history tell my story....I do not mix and match time segments like the Captain of the Oblivious does.












If THE CLANGER continues his current antics......no title.



He plays like a true great player who wants to win a title does....which calls for TEAM play...then he will win them.








There is NO FROZEN ONE in TEAM.






Until then The Worshipper can keep mixing and matching to fit the "greatness" of James. Too bad he can't manufacture a phony title that way,too.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

How many eastern conference championships did they win without James??

How many eastern conference championships have they won with James??

Same as Z....one.

[horseofcourse]

The fact that you refuse to answer any of my questions is pretty much all I need to know about this thread. When one is obviously right and asks easy questions with easy answers that refuse to be answered the story is told.

You obviously think James is the greatest player to ever play the game as you stated he could average more than an assist more per game than Magic Johnson ever did in his entire career while playing with the top scorer in NBA history, James Worthy, Byron Scott and Michael Cooper. That is in essence where you and I differ. I do not quite put Z up to Jabbar's level, nor Sasha up to Worthy's level, nor Delonte up to Scott's level, nor Varejao up to McAdoo's level. I guess you could put Wallace up to Rambis' level!!

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

Same as Z....one.

Oh yes, along with the fact they are 1-0 in their last one game with both Z and LeBron on the floor. Don't forget Scott Pollard as well. They won an eastern conference championship with him as well!!

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Your statements merely support team effort...nothing more.

[horseofcourse]

Listen, I didn't start this thread ripping him to shreds. That was not me. I was only responding. I do not think the team under-achieved last year even with him being a ball hog so to speak if that's really what you think. You act like the guy never passes the ball. Simply not true. Again the main difference to me is you equate the rest of this Cavs team to the 80s Laker teams. I don't. I think LeBron has to score a bit more than Magic to make this team most effective. Sort of like Jordan wasn't dealing out 15 assists per game for the 90s Bulls. I don't think that team would have been as good with him doing that. He was an over 30 a game scorer for those teams. I'm not comparing LeBron to either Magic or Jordan, but really, you can't think the supporting group of players for Cleveland is that good that he can average 14 assists per game? I mean Jabbar and Worthy were hall of famers. This Cleveland team ain't got that...sorry. I know you love those other guys to death, but they ain't Jabbar or big game James.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Listen, I didn't start this thread ripping him to shreds.





That was not me. I was only responding.







I do not think the team under-achieved last year even with him being a ball hog so to speak if that's really what you think. You act like the guy never passes the ball. Simply not true.








Again the main difference to me is you equate the rest of this Cavs team to the 80s Laker teams.








unbelievable







I don't. I think LeBron has to score a bit more than Magic to make this team most effective. Sort of like Jordan wasn't dealing out 15 assists per game for the 90s Bulls. I don't think that team would have been as good with him doing that. He was an over 30 a game scorer for those teams. I'm not comparing LeBron to either Magic or Jordan, but really, you can't think the supporting group of players for Cleveland is that good that he can average 14 assists per game? I mean Jabbar and Worthy were hall of famers. This Cleveland team ain't got that...sorry. I know you love those other guys to death, but they ain't Jabbar or big game James.

You need a whole student body to think for you.





What are James greatest assets?



Huge threat to take it to the hole....vision...great passing ability.



Does this sound like maybe he might make a good point guard?

He would be better than Johnson.



There's an old bromide saying ....you can win it all if you don't care who gets the credit.






If you do not understand that James does not undertsand ---then you are lost. That's always been my issue with him..that lone issue.You can run for evidence and other WITNESSES...but the story plays out nearly every game.


Unless some more key components get back and get in shape and there are no more major injuries the Cavs may not get by the first round.



If the above does come to pass.......the very best they will do is lose to the West in the finals. They will never win it all with this team as it is unless James changes his game.


He can average 14 assists simply by dropping off 7-10 shots a game...and passing. He doesn't have to have two hall of famers with him. He would be that good if he only would gave up THE CHOSEN ONE idiocy.



So until James wins a title playing the way he does now----you can spew until Whothefucl<areThey gets something right.......you will still be dead wrong.