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[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by jms62

I can't see him getting drafted. NFL seems to have had a Come to Jesus moment in the last 2 weeks.

Cant see him getting drafted? He would be a top 10 pick this year. He already said he will return to FSU. He has a chance to go #1 depending on who is drafting there. He does need to grow up though.

[Pants II]

He's slightly brighter than Vince Young (who was a much better player in college than Rapeis)

Really the kid should check his privilege and kiss the asses of the defensive starters.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Pants II

He's slightly brighter than Vince Young (who was a much better player in college than Rapeis)

Really the kid should check his privilege and kiss the asses of the defensive starters.

He seems much brighter then Young. Thats just based on listening to him speak/apologize. Not that being brighter then Young is saying a lot.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Cant see him getting drafted? He would be a top 10 pick this year. He already said he will return to FSU. He has a chance to go #1 depending on who is drafting there. He does need to grow up though.

Always the contrarian saying something outrageous. Hundreds of Millions in advertising and advertisers now bowing to media pressure. The World as the NFL knows it has changed in the last 2 weeks. There is no way humanely possible he is the first pick of the draft. The guy is Toxic to sponsors of the NFL.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by jms62

Always the contrarian saying something outrageous. Hundreds of Millions in advertising and advertisers now bowing to media pressure. The World as the NFL knows it has changed in the last 2 weeks. There is no way humanely possible he is the first pick of the draft. The guy is Toxic to sponsors of the NFL.

Jim what am I saying thats outrageous? He is the 6th overal rated prospect right now on CBS.com. Here is the link.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...jameis-winston

ESPN has him 4th overall. And this is right now.http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft


He needs to grow up, I agree. But the only thing outrageous is you saying you cant see a slam dunk top 10 pick not getting drafted at all.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Jim what am I saying thats outrageous? He is the 6th overal rated prospect right now on CBS.com. Here is the link.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...jameis-winston

ESPN has him 4th overall. And this is right now.http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft


He needs to grow up, I agree. But the only thing outrageous is you saying you cant see a slam dunk top 10 pick not getting drafted at all.

Sorry. I guess I am too caught up in the last 2 weeks and am giving the NFL too much credit vis a vis players with character issues.

[Pants II]

I think he's an above-average country bumpkin who is a severe sociopath.

It's not going to end well for him. Even if he has a successful career in the pros he will be broke 5 years after his retirement.

He isn't responsible.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by jms62

Sorry. I guess I am too caught up in the last 2 weeks and am giving the NFL too much credit vis a vis players with character issues.

Im with you in that sense. Hes an ass and Im not saying I like him as a pro, thats just where they project him. They are usually pretty close.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I'm not thinking about the "Come to Jesus" notion or sponsors here.

This guy is a dumpster fire, and your quarterback cannot be a dumpster fire. Those guys do not last in the NFL.

JaMarcus Russell (e.g.) and Winston will be in the same paragraph someday.

no point in drafting someone who will cause a ton of problems for the team. and his track record would definitely make one worry. talented qb's without the baggage out there.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I'm not thinking about the "Come to Jesus" notion or sponsors here.

This guy is a dumpster fire, and your quarterback cannot be a dumpster fire. Those guys do not last in the NFL.

JaMarcus Russell (e.g.) and Winston will be in the same paragraph someday.

I couldn't disagree more, unless the paragraph has to do with polar opposite production from the #1 pick in the draft.

He might be a bone head who makes questionable (at best) decisions off the field, but the kid can flat out play. He's not like Russell in the sense of having a few good games at the right time of year, thus sky rocketing up the draft boards. He would've been a top 10 pick in this year's draft and will be again in next year's too.

He would benefit tremendously from a large boot being inserted into his ass from someone in his camp. Those things tend not to happen though.

I wonder if this would even be a story at all if he weren't dragged into the rape scandal/money grab last year.

I, for one, am eager to see how well he does in the league.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

I couldn't disagree more, unless the paragraph has to do with polar opposite production from the #1 pick in the draft.

He might be a bone head who makes questionable (at best) decisions off the field, but the kid can flat out play. He's not like Russell in the sense of having a few good games at the right time of year, thus sky rocketing up the draft boards. He would've been a top 10 pick in this year's draft and will be again in next year's too.

He would benefit tremendously from a large boot being inserted into his ass from someone in his camp. Those things tend not to happen though.

I wonder if this would even be a story at all if he weren't dragged into the rape scandal/money grab last year.

I, for one, am eager to see how well he does in the league.

We kind of just said the same thing, you with more detail.

[Pants II]

He's not better than Cam Newton.

And Cam Newton isn't some outrageously good quarterback in the pros.

Too risky.

Late first rounder maybe.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Pants II

He's not better than Cam Newton.

And Cam Newton isn't some outrageously good quarterback in the pros.

Too risky.

Late first rounder maybe.

I never said I love him at the next level. I just said he is a top pick. These guys like Kiper live and breath the draft. When are they ever off by more then 10 picks. He is 4th right now on ESPN. If he comes back next year, improves and has no more dumb trouble he is #1.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I never said I love him at the next level. I just said he is a top pick. These guys like Kiper live and breath the draft. When are they ever off by more then 10 picks. He is 4th right now on ESPN. If he comes back next year, improves and has no more dumb trouble he is #1.

He's not coming back to FSU next year. He would have to attend classes in order to do that.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

I couldn't disagree more, unless the paragraph has to do with polar opposite production from the #1 pick in the draft.

He might be a bone head who makes questionable (at best) decisions off the field, but the kid can flat out play. He's not like Russell in the sense of having a few good games at the right time of year, thus sky rocketing up the draft boards. He would've been a top 10 pick in this year's draft and will be again in next year's too.

He would benefit tremendously from a large boot being inserted into his ass from someone in his camp. Those things tend not to happen though.

I wonder if this would even be a story at all if he weren't dragged into the rape scandal/money grab last year.

I, for one, am eager to see how well he does in the league.

dragged into? he was the suspect. that's not the only incident besides his behavior a few days back that led to a whopping half game suspension.
but, it is fsu..where starters who get drastically reduced prices on clothing get no punishment, and non starters get kicked off the team.

[Pants II]

He's a liar too.

I vividly remember him making the excuse that fans were hounding him at Publix so he got out of there and forgot to pay.

Utter bullshit. Credibility gone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2hLzP4L_aY

Now I'd have to do a deeper search for his quote/excuse after this incident. It seems most of the original stories on this incident have been conveniently scrubbed.

But I don't forget.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cardus

This difference in treatment between stars and back-ups is not unique to FSU.

that's sadly true.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I'm not thinking about the "Come to Jesus" notion or sponsors here.

This guy is a dumpster fire, and your quarterback cannot be a dumpster fire. Those guys do not last in the NFL.

JaMarcus Russell (e.g.) and Winston will be in the same paragraph someday.

I strongly disagree. Russell was a one hit wonder, huge guy that everyone fell in love with because he had a big arm. Winston makes good plays and is young, he will still improve.