Brilliant moves by Churchill

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

Just my humble opinion but if tracks hustle owners and trainers to race to fill cards throughout the year, then accommodating owners and trainers on the big days is only proper. Oaks Day and/or Derby Day would be a lot less spectacular if the non featured events consisted of 5k to 12.5K Claimers.
And in my opinion the owners and trainers with horses racing on a given day should be "entitled" to accommodations on that day.

Please explain how derby day will degrade into 5 -12 K claimers if owners aren't
"Accomodadted" . Will owners take their million dollar purchases and turn them into carriage horses to recoup their money instead of running them for the huge purses on Derby Day?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by jms62

Please explain how derby day will degrade into 5 -12 K claimers if owners aren't
"Accomodadted" . Will owners take their million dollar purchases and turn them into carriage horses to recoup their money instead of running them for the huge purses on Derby Day?

No, they will run them at a track with huge purses that treat them well.

In this instance, the track is also operating a service industry and it does not surprise me that numerous owners have cited that the only person they have had a pleasant experience with is Mr. D of Arlington.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

No, they will run them at a track with huge purses that treat them well.

In this instance, the track is also operating a service industry and it does not surprise me that numerous owners have cited that the only person they have had a pleasant experience with is Mr. D of Arlington.

You seriously think that owners are going to bypass graded stakes purse money due to lack of free tickets?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by jms62

You seriously think that owners are going to bypass graded stakes purse money due to lack of free tickets?

Most would argue that there are too many Graded options out there watering down the product. So yes, owners bypass graded stakes purse money for a variety of reasons.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Most would argue that there are too many Graded options out there watering down the product. So yes, owners bypass graded stakes purse money for a variety of reasons.

And they will bypass Kentucky Oaks and Derby Graded races? Races on Days where they can puff out their chests and feel important as America watches. See these 2 days are exactly the days they are in it. Feeling their importance on the National Stage... Just my opinion sightie...

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by jms62

And they will bypass Kentucky Oaks and Derby Graded races? Races on Days where they can puff out their chests and feel important as America watches. See these 2 days are exactly the days they are in it. Feeling their importance on the National Stage... Just my opinion sightie...

No, I don't think they would take there horse and run elsewhere for the Oaks and Derby, but we're talking about undercard stakes here.

There is a great quote floating about from Jimmy Jerkins from his father on what to expect for the Derby, to paraphrase - it will be crazy, why don't you just run in the Peter Pan?

[Thunder Gulch]

Seriously though- what's wrong with bringing your crew down into the 120 section with folks like me and my buddies for $200 a pop? Are we terrible people- the unwashed masses? Or have you reached a sense of entitlement that makes you feel too important to stand in line with anyone not in a suit?
I get that the game is largely a losing proposition for the owners, and we obviously need them to provide the product, but on the flip side if they don't like it, they can go run another track for a smaller purse, and that won't help anyone. I'm not defending CDI by any means, but jeez.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by jms62

Please explain how derby day will degrade into 5 -12 K claimers if owners aren't
"Accomodadted" . Will owners take their million dollar purchases and turn them into carriage horses to recoup their money instead of running them for the huge purses on Derby Day?

So you are saying that its fine for CD to make money by filling the Oaks and Derby Cards with lesser Stakes races...but its not ok to comp the owners and trainers that provide the horses that run in these lesser stakes. I personally think that if you have skin in the game your entitled to more of the frosting then someone who doesn't...those with skin in the game are in it for more than just the big days...just my opinion... we can always agree to disagree.

[Pants II]

Churchill wants to be a casino driven company but are the absolute worst at comping the whales.

They are incompetent. I couldn't care less about their share price in this over-valued joke of a market.

They will fail with this business model. They are a-holes.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

So you are saying that its fine for CD to make money by filling the Oaks and Derby Cards with lesser Stakes races...but its not ok to comp the owners and trainers that provide the horses that run in these lesser stakes. I personally think that if you have skin in the game your entitled to more of the frosting then someone who doesn't...those with skin in the game are in it for more than just the big days...just my opinion... we can always agree to disagree.

How about they comp us bettors who without they are NOTHING. No they raise the takeout on us. Sorry if I don't feel sorry for a rich fuk crying for tickets so he can bring someone in and pound his chest and say look at me I am so generous and compassionate.

[Payson Dave]

Lol...for the record I'm not crazy about the increased takeout...its not the owners that raised the takeout... it takes all three entities for the model to work but it is the tracks and the owners who are directly related in putting on the show.

[Sightseek]

Ron Turcotte's experience:

http://foxhillfarmstable.com/2014/04...end-of-racing/

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Ron Turcotte's experience:

http://foxhillfarmstable.com/2014/04...end-of-racing/

Need NBA commish to force CDI to sell all of their tracks.

I'm not joking. They are scum of the earth.

[philcski]

I think what everyone is learning here is why profit-maximizing corporations are not necessarily good for America in general. Churchill is doing what "is best for their shareholders" because that's what they HAVE to do. It's the whole 99%'er argument all over again.

I have a lot more compassion for Ron Turcotte than Porter- a true legend of the game, who literally gave everything he had to it, and Churchill should have shown him the respect he deserves with at least a ticket and a parking spot.

[casp0555]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Ron Turcotte's experience:

http://foxhillfarmstable.com/2014/04...end-of-racing/

This is sad...and shows how disengaged CDI is with the "sport". Porter should pay but to offer this type of treatment to one it's historical stars and HOF members is "below the line". Shame on you CDI.