A question on Easy Goer...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Bernadini couldn't have warmed up Holy Bull for that matter, those 47:4 and 48 half miles would only have had him about 15 lengths behind the big grey Bull.
One of my earliest remembrances was watching Affirmed and Alydar in the belmont with my grandfather and father. I was 9 years old, and only understood that it was a famous race, etc. But I stil remember my grandfather wanting Alydar to win and just saying the other horse is better after they hit the line. I wasn't a fan yet though and I didn't truly understand or appreciate what I was seeing.

I was on the third floor at Belmont for that Belmont Stakes. Those were very exciting times.

I can still remember Affirmed's win in the Jim Dandy. I was sitting around the sixteenth pole, and Sensitive Prince ( who may not have seemed like a killer then but I would venture a guess would be drooled over on internet boards should his likeness show up now ) had a FIVE length lead at the eighth pole, and Affirmed ran him down in what was his first start after the Belmont.

And, frankly, the recovery Alydar made in the subsequent Travers, regardless of what camp you are in as to whether or not he could run down Affirmed if they were eye to eye, was spectacular. Not quite as spectacular, as the decisive move Alydar made at the top of the stretch on the way to his seven length destruction of the Whitney field ( of which JO Tobin was a member ).

Man, THOSE were good racehorses.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I was on the third floor at Belmont for that Belmont Stakes. Those were very exciting times.

I can still remember Affirmed's win in the Jim Dandy. I was sitting around the sixteenth pole, and Sensitive Prince ( who may not have seemed like a killer then but I would venture a guess would be drooled over on internet boards should his likeness show up now ) had a FIVE length lead at the eighth pole, and Affirmed ran him down in what was his first start after the Belmont.

And, frankly, the recovery Alydar made in the subsequent Travers, regardless of what camp you are in as to whether or not he could run down Affirmed if they were eye to eye, was spectacular. Not quite as spectacular, as the decisive move Alydar made at the top of the stretch on the way to his seven length destruction of the Whitney field ( of which JO Tobin was a member ).

Man, THOSE were good racehorses.

You realize of course that as much as I live and have always loved this game, that mother****ers like you who got to see and UNDERSTAND and APPRECIATE Seattle Slew, Spectacular Bid, and Affirmed-Alydar make me extremely jealous.
I mean, I remember sitting alone in my grandparent's living room and watching Slew win the Belmont( I decided at age 8 that I liked the name Run Dusty Run and was rooting for him), but I coulkdn't appreciate it.
Of course it could be worse, instead of having seen the horses we mentioned on this thread in the 80's and 90's, I could be worshipping at the altar of Discreet cat and Bernadini rather than Holy Bull and Alysheba and Skip Away and EG-SS. And I suppose you are jealous of those who got to see the stars of the 60's and early 70's.

[Danzig]

sunday silences super derby was just that. man i like watching him run, and win....except when he was running against and beating easy goer! lol

sunday silence, the quintessential blue collar, hard luck, ugly duckling underdog who showed what a champ could be made of!!

[MLC]

Earlier, someone posted a link to Youbet. I checked it out at work and for the last hour there watched the replays of Forego's Marlboro Cup, Secretariat's Preakness (my personal favorite), Secretariat's Man O'War, and other races that I feel fortunate to have witnessed (TV of course). And since then there have been all the other great horses that some of you have had the pleasure of seeing. It's great to share the memories.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

You realize of course that as much as I live and have always loved this game, that mother****ers like you who got to see and UNDERSTAND and APPRECIATE Seattle Slew, Spectacular Bid, and Affirmed-Alydar make me extremely jealous.
I mean, I remember sitting alone in my grandparent's living room and watching Slew win the Belmont( I decided at age 8 that I liked the name Run Dusty Run and was rooting for him), but I coulkdn't appreciate it.
Of course it could be worse, instead of having seen the horses we mentioned on this thread in the 80's and 90's, I could be worshipping at the altar of Discreet cat and Bernadini rather than Holy Bull and Alysheba and Skip Away and EG-SS. And I suppose you are jealous of those who got to see the stars of the 60's and early 70's.

I'm sorry I missed Dr. Fager as everyone I know says he was the best they ever saw and I wish I could have seen Buckpasser and Damascus as well during that time.

I did see Forego run quite a few times and was right there for both his Marlboro, one a loss to Wajima and the other the win over Honest Pleasure. I was lucky enough to see a lot of good horses and for that I'm grateful.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

so btw when people say super horse or alltime great..a more seasoned player like yourself rolls eyes...and gets up from the key board in disgust..very understandable....

[Danzig]

dr fagers one turf race would rank right up there with personal ensigns run in the distaff. he was slipping and sliding all over the grass, absolutely detested the surface. but everyone time a horse took a run at him, he'd pin his ears and turn them back.
won for top turf horse that year. on one race.

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

so when people say super horse or alltime great..a more seasoned player like yourself rolls eyes...and gets up from the key board in disgust..very understandable....

No different probably than guys who rolled there eyes at me who saw Sec, Bid, Affirmed, Alydar, Dr Fager, Buckpasser, etc when i talked like I did about the horses I saw in the 80's and 90's.
That was the point I was making Hooves. Not that anyone is smarter than anyone, just that whats great now wasn't great back then. And the older you are, the more you probably roll your eyes these days.
The horses we just talked about in the 80's and 90's, the guys older than me are gonna say they weren't Affirmed or Bid or Sec or Alydar or fager.
I guess the quality overall has slipped(I've blamed the adventof the BC a million times on here and firmly believe its detroyed and is destroying the game), and even i was a little taken aback at the figs that were posted. It jogged some memories.

[MLC]

Originally Posted by oracle80

No different probably than guys who rolled there eyes at me who saw Sec, Bid, Affirmed, Alydar, Dr Fager, Buckpasser, etc when i talked like I did about the horses I saw in the 80's and 90's.
That was the point I was making Hooves. Not that anyone is smarter than anyone, just that whats great now wasn't great back then. And the older you are, the more you probably roll your eyes these days.
The horses we just talked about in the 80's and 90's, the guys older than me are gonna say they weren't Affirmed or Bid or Sec or Alydar or fager.
I guess the quality overall has slipped(I've blamed the adventof the BC a million times on here and firmly believe its detroyed and is destroying the game), and even i was a little taken aback at the figs that were posted. It jogged some memories.

I don't think that the quality overall has slipped. It's just that the way horses are raced nowadays prohibits a good horse from being tested many times against other good horses.

[MLC]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

so when people say super horse or alltime great..a more seasoned player like yourself rolls eyes...and gets up from the key board in disgust..very understandable....

Maybe I'm just getting old and losing some patience, but it does seem that the thoughts that some people expressed was more than just the usual excitement that is generated when a good horse runs. I hope that the lessons learned from this summer will be remembered. However, I confess that I was extremely enthusiastic about Barbaro.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by MLC

Maybe I'm just getting old and losing some patience, but it does seem that the thoughts that some people expressed was more than just the usual excitement that is generated when a good horse runs. I hope that the lessons learned from this summer will be remembered. However, I confess that I was extremely enthusiastic about Barbaro.

so many WANT another great horse so bad. that's a big part of it. another part of it is huge egos. everyone wants to claim to be the one who got the scoop on said superhorse. so any above average effort is trumpeted as the warning shot fired by the next super horse.
and then some of us who call for patience are heckled and jeered for being sticks in the mud.


and i'm a confirmed eye roller. absolutely. if they certified stuff like that, i'd have that certificate framed and proudly displayed.

[MLC]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

so many WANT another great horse so bad. that's a big part of it. another part of it is huge egos. everyone wants to claim to be the one who got the scoop on said superhorse. so any above average effort is trumpeted as the warning shot fired by the next super horse.
and then some of us who call for patience are heckled and jeered for being sticks in the mud.


and i'm a confirmed eye roller. absolutely. if they certified stuff like that, i'd have that certificate framed and proudly displayed.

Maybe we should make a certificate up. It definately would be up on my wall. Heck, I may be awarded many times.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I was on the third floor at Belmont for that Belmont Stakes. Those were very exciting times.

I'm sure every racing fan of our age can say where he/she was on that day. I listened to that Belmont on the radio while driving back from LA to San Diego. I got so excited by the call that I had to pull over to the side of I-5 or risk losing control of my car.

Could not WAIT for the Travers. Watched that one on a TV at Harrah's in Reno. I could have personally maimed Pincay for robbing fans of an honest showdown.

--Dunbar

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

Could not WAIT for the Travers. Watched that one on a TV at Harrah's in Reno. I could have personally maimed Pincay for robbing fans of an honest showdown.

--Dunbar

That was my first day ever at Saratoga. The infield was open for the record crowd of 50,000. It was prior to the expansion of the grounds behind the main building. They still saddled the horses under trees with no fences where there are now picnic tables and more betting windows. 6 oz burgers were $1.50 and were very good, unlike the garbage they sell now for $6. And Molson drafts were a dollar at the Rafters. Now that was a disco even this old rock and rolling hippie enjoyed

Pincay did nothing wrong on Affirmed. He was set up. Angel, on Shake Shake Shake, was the devil helping out his buddy Georgie V. on Alydar. Very sleazy race.

Trivia question: Who finished third in that four horse race?

[blackthroatedwind]

Nasty and Bold.

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Nasty and Bold.

That didn't take long. He was a nice horse.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

Pincay did nothing wrong on Affirmed. He was set up. Angel, on Shake Shake Shake, was the devil helping out his buddy Georgie V. on Alydar. Very sleazy race.

That wasn't the way I saw it. It looked to me simply that Pincay moved over into Alydar's path as Alydar was flying up the inside, and Alydar clipped heels and almost went down.

How did Shake Shake Shake figure into it? (have to laugh at us arguing a race we saw almost 30 years ago!)

--Dunbar

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

That wasn't the way I saw it. It looked to me simply that Pincay moved over into Alydar's path as Alydar was flying up the inside, and Alydar clipped heels and almost went down.

How did Shake Shake Shake figure into it? (have to laugh at us arguing a race we saw almost 30 years ago!)

--Dunbar

Cordero rode Shake Shake Shake and certainly was always up for a little mischief.

I think Pincay was negligent also.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

That wasn't the way I saw it. It looked to me simply that Pincay moved over into Alydar's path as Alydar was flying up the inside, and Alydar clipped heels and almost went down.

How did Shake Shake Shake figure into it? (have to laugh at us arguing a race we saw almost 30 years ago!)

--Dunbar

Alydar is one of my favorite horses of all time..I've watched my video a bazillion times and completely agree with your assessment.

[philcski]

It's a damn shame there's scumbags in the world like JT Lundy or we might STILL be talking about the great sons and daughters of Alydar.