When will buzzer allegations cease?

[Left Bank]

Simple. It will never cease.

[cmorioles]

Allegations will cease when the use of buzzers ceases. Lifetime ban for first offense, end of story.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Allegations will cease when the use of buzzers ceases. Lifetime ban for first offense, end of story.

That's the answer. Of all of the damning footage in the PETA video was the smug, pompous, discourse between Stevens and Lukas regarding the use of these things, as if there is utter and complete disregard for the fact that people actually wager money on the outcomes of these races - was by far the worse in my opinion.
They joke and carry on about it as though it's all about collecting a check - how that is done, regardless of the manner in which it negatively impacts the health of the sport, is not even on their collective radar.

This is not an indictment of either man, more the culture they exist in.

I guess the horse racing industry in general perceives it is a two edged sword - having to admit it goes on is the first step in correcting it, and they have thus far been unable or unwilling to take that step.

[JJP]

Richard Strauss got a lengthy suspension in the mid 80s for getting caught with a buzzer at Sportsmans. He tried to petition for re-instatement around 2000 but was denied. I think he died a few years later.

I agree with the earlier comment. Allegations will cease when their use ceases. The buzzer allegations were definitely the most damaging allegations thrown out by PETA.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by JJP

Richard Strauss got a lengthy suspension in the mid 80s for getting caught with a buzzer at Sportsmans. He tried to petition for re-instatement around 2000 but was denied. I think he died a few years later.

I agree with the earlier comment. Allegations will cease when their use ceases. The buzzer allegations were definitely the most damaging allegations thrown out by PETA.

I guess I'm in the minority, but I viewed it as two racetrackers reminiscing over the "good ole days" at Ruidoso and laughing about how rampant those devices were used back then.

Total different ball of wax had they been talking/laughing about (for example) the 2013 Gulfstream meet, imo. Then, I'd be alarmed. Hell, I wouldn't drop another dime into the windows ever again.

I picked up this sport in 2004 with knowledge of some of the "cliches" attached to it. All boils down to how much policing the "powers-that-be" want to implement.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

I guess I'm in the minority, but I viewed it as two racetrackers reminiscing over the "good ole days" at Ruidoso and laughing about how rampant those devices were used back then.

Total different ball of wax had they been talking/laughing about (for example) the 2013 Gulfstream meet, imo. Then, I'd be alarmed. Hell, I wouldn't drop another dime into the windows ever again.

I picked up this sport in 2004 with knowledge of some of the "cliches" attached to it. All boils down to how much policing the "powers-that-be" want to implement.

I took it this way too, kind of like when the jockeys speak of the rough riding growing up on fair circuits.

[Alabama Stakes]

how about some of the cool terms they used to use / still use.
battery Boy comes to mind. he's pluggin him in today. he's got the buzza

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Simple. It will never cease.

seems an owner flung out buzzer allegations just last summer....people are sore losers. there's no way they chose incorrectly, so obviously something nefarious caused their loss.

[Benny]

1999 Arkansas derby DQ.

What ever happened to Patin ?


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...on-billy-patin

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Benny

1999 Arkansas derby DQ.

What ever happened to Patin ?


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1999-05-06/sports

Think he got five years then returned to riding.

[booner]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Think he got five years then returned to riding.

You are correct. When I started following horse racing in 2004, he was at Ellis Park for a summer. Got the lowdown about him from a couple of older gentlemen at the track.

I'm pretty sure he is currently riding on the Louisiana circuit.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by Danzig

seems an owner flung out buzzer allegations just last summer....people are sore losers. there's no way they chose incorrectly, so obviously something nefarious caused their loss.

Are you trying to get a racing executive job or are you just trolling?

[herkhorse]

Watch the "crosses" that Melancon was throwing on Jump Jump right before Albarado's horse goes by him in the 12th at Fairgrounds on Saturday. I'm not saying he had a buzzer on his wrist in this particular race, but that's how jocks hit a horse with one.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Pants II

Are you trying to get a racing executive job or are you just trolling?

not quite sure what this is supposed to mean.

[Calzone Lord]

My father trained at lower-level tracks in the 1970's and 1980's, he told me "about 8 or 9 out of the 40 jocks" would use a buzzer. He said most of them were funny about how they'd carry it.

He had a "machine horse" who he thought benefited from it...he said the jockey who rode his machine horse would have the buzzer handed to him by a pony girl in the post parade.

The craziest buzzer story he had: One time, before a race, the field was loaded into the gate. Once everyone was in, they had basically a sting setup where they asked riders to dismount so they could search them.

One of the jockeys who was carrying a buzzer, instead of dismounting, he zapped his horse, and the horse busted through the gate with him. He was able to get rid of the buzzer, but at the risk of great danger to himself.

[PatCummings]

Was told recently by one jockey that, when turning for home at a track in the US, it was like you were in a beehive.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

Was told recently by one jockey that, when turning for home at a track in the US, it was like you were in a beehive.

Is that because cheating only happens in the US?

[Calzone Lord]

Simple solution to this, if they want to bother.

Every few days, randomly make a couple jockeys dismount before they go into the gate, and search them.

Yes, you'd be treating the jocks like criminals -- but if this actually still is a real problem (which I doubt) -- it will be remedied fast.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

Was told recently by one jockey that, when turning for home at a track in the US, it was like you were in a beehive.

I find that comment shocking and have no clue if I'm just naïve or what.