ukraine

[joeydb]

Maybe Obama should do something other than saying "There will be consequences" followed by ... nothing.

In other words - if we're not going to do anything about it, don't rattle the sabre. That was the worst thing (barring being stupid enough to go to war with Russia, which thankfully he has not shown he is capable of yet) that he could have done.

He did the same thing regarding Syria and ironically it was Putin who bailed him out by brokering a "deal" regarding chemical weapons. Whether the deal was ever going to work was immaterial - he was embarassing the nation with his repeated "don't cross the red line" and then - once again - nothing.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Maybe Obama should do something other than saying "There will be consequences" followed by ... nothing.

In other words - if we're not going to do anything about it, don't rattle the sabre. That was the worst thing (barring being stupid enough to go to war with Russia, which thankfully he has not shown he is capable of yet) that he could have done.

He did the same thing regarding Syria and ironically it was Putin who bailed him out by brokering a "deal" regarding chemical weapons. Whether the deal was ever going to work was immaterial - he was embarassing the nation with his repeated "don't cross the red line" and then - once again - nothing.

She asked you in so many words what he should do. You are not even remotely trying to answer her question.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

She asked you in so many words what he should do. You are not even remotely trying to answer her question.

Draw another line?

This time try drawing it in rainbow colors?

Like I said at the start, this guy was so far over his skis he was bound to go down hard just like the jumper at the start of the ole Wide World of Sports.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Maybe Obama should do something other than saying "There will be consequences" followed by ... nothing.

Right....Bush would have done something! thank goodness he's gone..

In other words - if we're not going to do anything about it, don't rattle the sabre. That was the worst thing (barring being stupid enough to go to war with Russia, which thankfully he has not shown he is capable of yet) that he could have done.

Yes, good thing he's not as capable as dumya...

He did the same thing regarding Syria and ironically it was Putin who bailed him out by brokering a "deal" regarding chemical weapons. Whether the deal was ever going to work was immaterial - he was embarassing the nation with his repeated "don't cross the red line" and then - once again - nothing

Right, he tricked Putin into dealing with the Syrians....and keeping our hands clean

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Right, he tricked Putin into dealing with the Syrians....and keeping our hands clean

Keeping Assad in power with all his weapons sans a small percentage.

Even though he stated if the line was crossed Assad had to go as well as all the weapons.

Wonder if when Barack tells his children to brush their teeth and go to bed he's happy with the mother in law taking over and telling them to use mouthwash and go to bed before the sun comes up.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Maybe Obama should do something other than saying "There will be consequences" followed by ... nothing.

In other words - if we're not going to do anything about it, don't rattle the sabre. That was the worst thing (barring being stupid enough to go to war with Russia, which thankfully he has not shown he is capable of yet) that he could have done.

He did the same thing regarding Syria and ironically it was Putin who bailed him out by brokering a "deal" regarding chemical weapons. Whether the deal was ever going to work was immaterial - he was embarassing the nation with his repeated "don't cross the red line" and then - once again - nothing.

except there have been consequences, with sanctions having been put in place, and assets frozen.

at any rate, what should have been said? what should be done?

or you can just admit that it wouldn't matter what obama says and does, it would be wrong and subject to criticism.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

except there have been consequences, with sanctions having been put in place, and assets frozen.

We 'theoretically' froze the US assets of 11 Russians (mind you Putin not among them) whose collective 'U.S. assets' likely amount to a small amount of change, not exchanged when visiting the USA, while Russia moved over a $100 billion of US T-Bonds offshore.

This not so brilliant move makes 'Cash for Clunkers' look like a burp.

[hi_im_god]

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/03...ade-fox/198322

It isn't Joey's fault.

You've got to know when to gin up your base and when to let them cool their jets.

He's just reacting to stimuli.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/03...ade-fox/198322

It isn't Joey's fault.

You've got to know when to gin up your base and when to let them cool their jets.

He's just reacting to stimuli.

Hmmmmm, sounds familiar..

Please note that in August 2008, during President Bush's final months in office, a strikingly similar scenario played out when Russian forces invaded the former Soviet state of Georgia. At the time, the Bush White House sounded an awful lot like today's Obama White House. From Bush spokeswoman Dana Perino, now a Fox host:


"The United States supports Georgia's territorial integrity. We call for an immediate ceasefire. We urge all parties Georgians, south Ossetians, Russians to deescalate the tensions and to avoid conflict. We are work on mediation efforts and to secure a ceasefire, and we are urging the parties to restart their dialogue."

And what a shock this is.

Yet unlike today, the Putin-led excursion in 2008 completely failed to spark the panicked rhetoric that's become Fox News' trademark since Russian troops crossed over into Ukraine last week. Notably absent from the 2008 Georgia coverage was relentless finger pointing and blaming the White House for the extreme actions of a foreign leader thousands of miles away. There was also none of the Putin cheerleading that we hear on Fox News today.

Fox reporting at it's best.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Hmmmmm, sounds familiar..



And what a shock this is.

Fox reporting at it's best.

that can't be right, bigrun....

dick cheney said that invasion happened under obama's watch.

we're not supposed to be involved all over...but then, we are. nothing like consistency.

[Danzig]

still no answer on how we should be handling all this. shocking.

keep watching fox 'news', joey....it won't steer you wrong.