Orb Retired, to Stand at Claiborne in 2014

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm figuring it's that he doesn't seem to be getting to where he was in the spring, so retire him and make money that way.

Take the money? Please the last thing Janney/Phipps need is money... Very disappointed ORB has been retired

[parsixfarms]

One of the Jockey Club's big initiatives for 2014 is its partnership with Fox Sports to televise a series of races for older horses. Now, the Jockey Club's own leaders retire their 2013 Derby winner; regardless of what we all think of the quality of Orb's Derby victory, his presence would have helped that series.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

One of the Jockey Club's big initiatives for 2014 is its partnership with Fox Sports to televise a series of races for older horses. Now, the Jockey Club's own leaders retire their 2013 Derby winner; regardless of what we all think of the quality of Orb's Derby victory, his presence would have helped that series.

If Will Take Charge had performed as poorly as Palace Malice did, I really believe they'd have taken a shot at the Cigar Mile ... where a win or a visually impressive 2nd could have been enough to steal the 3yo championship.

With Will Take Charge getting beat just a nose in the Breeders Cup Classic, the chance at the title has realistically 100% slipped away.

It's still a business at the end of the day. Very few people would bring back a 4yo who might not be that competitive in top handicap races, if they can start at a 25k stud fee and get interest.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

One of the Jockey Club's big initiatives for 2014 is its partnership with Fox Sports to televise a series of races for older horses. Now, the Jockey Club's own leaders retire their 2013 Derby winner; regardless of what we all think of the quality of Orb's Derby victory, his presence would have helped that series.

Extremely disappointing... Sort of like a college basketball player that leaves early to go to the pro's... Orb's family didnt need the money and the breeding industry wasnt in dire need of Orb.. Feels like Claiborne wanted this and since they gave Data Link a shot they got Orb in the shed early.. Just spectulating

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Extremely disappointing... Sort of like a college basketball player that leaves early to go to the pro's... Orb's family didnt need the money and the breeding industry wasnt in dire need of Orb.. Feels like Claiborne wanted this and since they gave Data Link a shot they got Orb in the shed early.. Just spectulating

The difference being that Orb probably woudn't get drafted after his Post Derby performances. If there really wasnt any major issues and he was running poorly why would they believe he would reverse that trend? Perhaps Shug thought that he has seen better days and wasnt confident that he could get him back to the top of the division again?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The difference being that Orb probably woudn't get drafted after his Post Derby performances. If there really wasnt any major issues and he was running poorly why would they believe he would reverse that trend? Perhaps Shug thought that he has seen better days and wasnt confident that he could get him back to the top of the division again?

We are all guessing. To me it seems like a favor to Claiborne who's stallion roster has gone from a non factor to dominate in 5 years.

As hard as it is to pick winners on the track to bet...It is so much tougher to predict Stallion success. War Front? Tapit Malibu Moon? who thought these 3 could ever be the sports top producers. Malibu Moon had to be a billion to 1 to be a world class producer.

[randallscott35]

Malibu Moon had quite the longevity himself.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Malibu Moon had quite the longevity himself.

Follows the footsteps of Danzig

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by freddymo

We are all guessing. To me it seems like a favor to Claiborne who's stallion roster has gone from a non factor to dominate in 5 years.

As hard as it is to pick winners on the track to bet...It is so much tougher to predict Stallion success. War Front? Tapit Malibu Moon? who thought these 3 could ever be the sports top producers. Malibu Moon had to be a billion to 1 to be a world class producer.

i give the credit to hughes and the pons. then again, sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by freddymo

We are all guessing. To me it seems like a favor to Claiborne who's stallion roster has gone from a non factor to dominate in 5 years.

As hard as it is to pick winners on the track to bet...It is so much tougher to predict Stallion success. War Front? Tapit Malibu Moon? who thought these 3 could ever be the sports top producers. Malibu Moon had to be a billion to 1 to be a world class producer.

Malibu Moon displayed freakish ability in his brief career.

He has a great pedigree as well.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Malibu Moon displayed freakish ability in his brief career.

He has a great pedigree as well.

Brief is the key word. Not freakish....Everything that is wrong with what we breed.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

One of the Jockey Club's big initiatives for 2014 is its partnership with Fox Sports to televise a series of races for older horses. Now, the Jockey Club's own leaders retire their 2013 Derby winner; regardless of what we all think of the quality of Orb's Derby victory, his presence would have helped that series.

Maybe once. If he continued to run up the track his allure would be minimal.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Maybe once. If he continued to run up the track his allure would be minimal.

exactly.
they couldn't take a chance on that happening again, especially without finding an excuse. after all, if something is broke, but you don't know what, how do you fix it?
also agree with what doug said about 3 yo honors. they probably figure WTC has it wrapped up, whether they ran in and won the cigar mile or not. and i have to think he just wasn't showing that same spark he had in fla and ky.
it happens. we've all seen horses suddenly get really good, or run a huge race, only to never do so again.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Take the money? Please the last thing Janney/Phipps need is money... Very disappointed ORB has been retired

true, they don't need it. but rich people are rich because they know when to hold and know when to fold.

my point is, based on orb's post derby form, that he's bound to bring them more in the shed than on the track. i'm very disappointed as well. i have to think they just felt he wasn't moving forward in training. too bad.