FRIDAY 11/1 (SA): 30th Breeders' Cup

[Honu]

She beat who showed up...Dance the dance or stay home she proved she can take them to task.

[Frost King]

The funny thing is, if Royal Delta would have won, this bias crap would have been a none issue. The fact that Beholder ran back to her Breeder's Cup figure for last year, means nothing. Why not give Mandella credit for having one ready in his backyard.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Frost King

The funny thing is, if Royal Delta would have won, this bias crap would have been a none issue. The fact that Beholder ran back to her Breeder's Cup figure for last year, means nothing. Why not give Mandella credit for having one ready in his backyard.

She rode a bias and has not beat anything this year, thats my take from many of these posts.

[Honu]

Proves to me who the smarter conditioner is.. Gave her a good rest after the Oaks and two nice preps. Ah showed up and destroyed them on the day that counted. She won't get 3 yr old filly of the year even though she has done something no other filly has done by winning the juvinile and distaff. So much for playing it smart.

[Jay Frederick]

Originally Posted by Honu

Proves to me who the smarter conditioner is.. Gave her a good rest after the Oaks and two nice preps. Ah showed up and destroyed them on the day that counted. She won't get 3 yr old filly of the year even though she has done something no other filly has done by winning the juvinile and distaff. So much for playing it smart.

Nor does she deserve it. She's an incredible talent, but there are a lot of days that count during the year. Not just Novemeber 1st.

While she was in the barn, Princess of Sylmar was winning stakes on all of the other days that count.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Jay Frederick

Nor does she deserve it. She's an incredible talent, but there are a lot of days that count during the year. Not just Novemeber 1st.

While she was in the barn, Princess of Sylmar was winning stakes on all of the other days that count.

Not so sure I agree with this. Sylmar ran 1 more time then Beholder this year, so the 'in the barn' comment is a little off.

Look, Beholder won all the non turf G1 straight 3 year old races in California and Sylmar won the G1s on the East.

IMO, I think a BC Distaff win outweighs a KY Oaks win, thus my vote would go for Beholder

I also feel that if the track was bias towards closers yesterday, Beholder still would have won.

[Jay Frederick]

Originally Posted by Scav

Not so sure I agree with this. Sylmar ran 1 more time then Beholder this year, so the 'in the barn' comment is a little off.

Look, Beholder won all the non turf G1 straight 3 year old races in California and Sylmar won the G1s on the East.

IMO, I think a BC Distaff win outweighs a KY Oaks win, thus my vote would go for Beholder

I also feel that if the track was bias towards closers yesterday, Beholder still would have won.

She was in the barn for 4 months while the 3 year old filly season was in full gear, was she not? The CCA Oaks and Alabama are more important races in terms of deciding a division title than the Las Virgenes and SA Oaks.

Maybe Beholder would have still won, I was against Princess of Sylmar yesterday because they weren't really aiming for that race. It was almost an afterthought, whereas Beholder had seemingly been aiming at it since May.

I just think it would be a (nother) bad precedent to award a horse an award for one day, while ignoring that she is 1-1 heads up against the horse who had a huge lead based on accomplishments going into the race.

The real Princess of Sylmar didn't show up yesterday. That isn't Beholder's fault, but I can't imagine any sane person thinks that beholder is 16 lengths better than Princess of Sylmar.

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by Honu

Proves to me who the smarter conditioner is.. Gave her a good rest after the Oaks and two nice preps. Ah showed up and destroyed them on the day that counted. She won't get 3 yr old filly of the year even though she has done something no other filly has done by winning the juvinile and distaff. So much for playing it smart.

Sorry to disagree, BEHOLDER will win 3yr old filly crown hands down, 4 grade 1 wins, but more importanly 2 against older fillies, and SHE is CHAMPION from last year, Hard to dethrone The Champ, when The Champ has a year like this, if POS had skipped this race, it would be a close contest, BUT she did not and got her ass handed to her............sorry both are good, but The Champ was not knocked out, she destroyed this field....I'm just saying....

[Scav]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

Sorry to disagree, BEHOLDER will win 3yr old filly crown hands down, 4 grade 1 wins, but more importanly 2 against older fillies, and SHE is CHAMPION from last year, Hard to dethrone The Champ, when The Champ has a year like this, if POS had skipped this race, it would be a close contest, BUT she did not and got her ass handed to her............sorry both are good, but The Champ was not knocked out, she destroyed this field....I'm just saying....

You do understand that you are arguing with someone that says Beholder should win the award, and see Beholder in the flesh every day, right?