another shooting

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Owning a gun is probably the most important decision an American can make; because once you take ownership of that weapon, YOU are responsible for what happens with it. Period.

This. I would support laws that hold gun owners responsible for any crime committed by a gun they own, including an accidental shooting and including a gun stolen from them. Give them a grace period to report a weapon stolen (72 hours or whatever), but after that, it's on the owner. I really don't think people start to take responsibility until the risk of not taking responsibility becomes enough of a threat to them. And for those for whom that's too much of a hassle, maybe they'll choose to not own a gun.

Thanks to the constant fear mongering of the media over gun control laws that will never be passed, and turning it into a FREEDUMB issue, I think a lot of people get them as some kind of status thing. Like people who get a thrill out of owning mean dogs, to use the canine analogy again.

My uncle had a lovely collection of hunting rifles, and they were on display... in a locked cabinet, and they were unloaded. I never saw him open the cabinet. He also was a cop, and I have no idea where he kept his revolver because I never, ever, ever saw it. I know first hand it's possible to own guns safely.

Now, if I could also come up with a solution for the a**h*les in Central Park who don't leash their f*cking dogs, I'd be ecstatic.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

This. I would support laws that hold gun owners responsible for any crime committed by a gun they own, including an accidental shooting and including a gun stolen from them. Give them a grace period to report a weapon stolen (72 hours or whatever), but after that, it's on the owner. I really don't think people start to take responsibility until the risk of not taking responsibility becomes enough of a threat to them. And for those for whom that's too much of a hassle, maybe they'll choose to not own a gun.

Thanks to the constant fear mongering of the media over gun control laws that will never be passed, and turning it into a FREEDUMB issue, I think a lot of people get them as some kind of status thing. Like people who get a thrill out of owning mean dogs, to use the canine analogy again.

My uncle had a lovely collection of hunting rifles, and they were on display... in a locked cabinet, and they were unloaded. I never saw him open the cabinet. He also was a cop, and I have no idea where he kept his revolver because I never, ever, ever saw it. I know first hand it's possible to own guns safely.

Now, if I could also come up with a solution for the a**h*les in Central Park who don't leash their f*cking dogs, I'd be ecstatic.

i wouldnt want to be held responsible if someone stole my gun and used it. i lock my house, and my guns are stored in a safe. ive taken every precaution....this would be akin to being charged if someone carjacked me and killed someone in a high speed chase.
now, those who knowingly buy a gun for a felon, give to or sell a gun to someone who is banned from buying-by all means, prosecute. but then i doubt anyone fails to report a stolen gun, unless they had it illegally. they want them back after all

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i wouldnt want to be held responsible if someone stole my gun and used it. i lock my house, and my guns are stored in a safe. ive taken every precaution....this would be akin to being charged if someone carjacked me and killed someone in a high speed chase.
now, those who knowingly buy a gun for a felon, give to or sell a gun to someone who is banned from buying-by all means, prosecute. but then i doubt anyone fails to report a stolen gun, unless they had it illegally. they want them back after all

And that's my point- if you promptly report a stolen gun, it wouldn't be an issue. An owner like you would never run afoul of it because you're responsible already. The aim isn't to suddenly end all gun violence (nothing will do that, of course); it's to put people in a position where they will take more responsibility for their firearms.

In the not-a-responsible-owner corner, a five-year-old shoots himself with babysitter's gun:

http://gawker.com/5-year-old-texas-b...ysi-1450688178

[Danzig]

http://news.msn.com/us/3-children-sl...es-at-assembly

oops.
brilliant idea, having a gun right there where a kid can pull the trigger. so, no safety on either. brilliant!
and i'm sure many think having a safety on prevents a gun from firing. that would be wrong. it keeps the trigger from being pulled, but a dropped gun can fire, safety or no. just ask people who have experienced it up close and personal.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and i'm sure many think having a safety on prevents a gun from firing. that would be wrong. it keeps the trigger from being pulled, but a dropped gun can fire, safety or no. just ask people who have experienced it up close and personal.

Depends on what kind of gun. All my semi-autos (many different manufacturers) safety consist of a plate sliding between the firing pin and bullet, trigger can still be pulled with safety on, they can be dropped and even used as hammers with no miss-fires while my revolvers and long guns sans a few semi-auto shotguns safety's lock the trigger as you are describing above.

Pretty sure it's not policy for a motorcycle cop to ride around with a AR-15 hot. The gun is not at fault though it will surely be blamed.