10/5 (KEE): Shadwell, Futurity, First Lady (G1's), TCA (G2), Woodford (G3)

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by JimmyEllis

The same NY that increasingly continues to give us some of the most biased tracks, both turf and dirt, in the history of the sport? I mean, were you around for the Saratoga meet?

NY has, overall, the most fair surfaces in the country. The actual reason the prolonged, 16 racing days actually, inside bias at Belmont was as big a deal as it was, was because the track is almost always even. Even the inner track, which before Glen Kozak became the track super was one of the more biased surfaces in the country, has been pretty much fair over the last five years. Then you bring up a week of turf racing, in the height of Summer, after weeks of going without rain, as somehow some proof of extensive biases when we race on the turf for EIGHT months??? Really?

And don't pull any " you work for NYRA " stuff, because nobody came close to discussing the gold rail at Belmont in September as much as I did. If there's a bias....I talk about it.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

NY has, overall, the most fair surfaces in the country. The actual reason the prolonged, 16 racing days actually, inside bias at Belmont was as big a deal as it was, was because the track is almost always even. Even the inner track, which before Glen Kozak became the track super was one of the more biased surfaces in the country, has been pretty much fair over the last five years. Then you bring up a week of turf racing, in the height of Summer, after weeks of going without rain, as somehow some proof of extensive biases when we race on the turf for EIGHT months??? Really?

And don't pull any " you work for NYRA " stuff, because nobody came close to discussing the gold rail at Belmont in September as much as I did. If there's a bias....I talk about it.

And you did over and over in the summer and now at Belmont. And now you are down playing it.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by jms62

And you did over and over in the summer and now at Belmont. And now you are down playing it.

There was a dumber posts on PA recently, so you escape worst post of 2013, but you are close.....so congratulations.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There was a dumber posts on PA recently, so you escape worst post of 2013, but you are close.....so congratulations.

Excuse me? Are you saying you didnt tweet about the Bias on the turf at Saratoga and the extreme dirt bias at Belmont?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by jms62

Excuse me? Are you saying you didnt tweet about the Bias on the turf at Saratoga and the extreme dirt bias at Belmont?

BIG difference between having a bias that lasts a few weeks and this...

"The same NY that increasingly continues to give us some of the most biased tracks, both turf and dirt, in the history of the sport?"

Which is what the original poster said.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

BIG difference between having a bias that lasts a few weeks and this...

"The same NY that increasingly continues to give us some of the most biased tracks, both turf and dirt, in the history of the sport?"

Which is what the original poster said.

I will concede that point Nick but have we not had a front end turf bias at Saratoga the last 2 meets?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by jms62

I will concede that point Nick but have we not had a front end turf bias at Saratoga the last 2 meets?

No, I don't think so, at least not for more than a few days. This year, it was advantageous to be on the lead on both turf courses from Travers day through the final day where all races were on turf (Friday, August 30). There were a few exceptions, but in general, the courses were biased on those days.

The 2012 meet did not have a bias in my recollection. If anything, that meet was plagued by unaggressive riding on the turf.

The dirt this year was fair. There were situations in 2012 when it was drying out where it was advantageous to be on the lead. Travers day was the closest to a bias there was all meet at Saratoga when the rail was strong. T

In sum, the allegation that the tracks in NY are the most biased in the history of racing is colossally stupid, and untrue.