What did we learn...Pre BC?

[Alabama Stakes]

the 2 year old fillies in the east are slow and will be nowhere in the BC

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

the 2 year old fillies in the east are slow and will be nowhere in the BC

I would wait through the weekend before making that assumption...

I'll be using Palace Malice coming out of the JCGC, noting Welsh's workout reports since he is usually a fantastic worker.

I didn't hate Authenticity's last race -- just the trip she received. The field is looking very short for the Lady's Classic.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I would wait through the weekend before making that assumption...

I'll be using Palace Malice coming out of the JCGC, noting Welsh's workout reports since he is usually a fantastic worker.

I didn't hate Authenticity's last race -- just the trip she received. The field is looking very short for the Lady's Classic.

Steve Haskin ‏@SteveHaskin
Despite getting beat 6 3/4 lengths in the JC Gold Cup, Palace Malice's time would have won the previous nine Gold Cups. #freakywinner

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Steve Haskin ‏@SteveHaskin
Despite getting beat 6 3/4 lengths in the JC Gold Cup, Palace Malice's time would have won the previous nine Gold Cups. #freakywinner

Those kinds of comments do more harm than good.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Those kinds of comments do more harm than good.

Care to elaborate? Not being wise, just curious....

[Calzone Lord]

The surface changes speed day to day, let alone year to year.

[cmorioles]

I saw those comments on Twitter and was literally laughing out loud. I knew it would be a topic of discussion here.

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

The surface changes speed day to day, let alone year to year.

Not only that, it often changes between races, particularly when a few turf races are thrown in between. Assuming the JCGC track speed was the same as the other dirt races is a pretty big leap.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Care to elaborate? Not being wise, just curious....

Raw times are meaningless, especially over different years, and confusing people by suggesting otherwise does no good....and harms the uninitiated that don't understand that.

In order to improve fan understanding of the game, the last thing we need to do is mislead them, and comments like that are misleading.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Raw times are meaningless, especially over different years, and confusing people by suggesting otherwise does no good....and harms the uninitiated that don't understand that.

In order to improve fan understanding of the game, the last thing we need to do is mislead them, and comments like that are misleading.

Would love to hear a possible explanation from Glen Kozak. More specifically, a technical discussion to help people understand the nuances of track maintenance.