Sat 9/1 Saratoga R4 #3 Shmoov Talker

[pmayjr]

He had that same ground-saving stalking trip on the rail in his last start as well, but the front-runners didn't clear out for him that day. He was buried on the rail and had no way to go.

I haven't seen the race yet, because I'm in the tropical paradise known as North Dakota visiting gramma lol. But how many horses scratched out that he became the heavy chalk? He was gonna be a short price anyway, but THAT short?

Also, as I said in the original post, I was mad that they weren't jumping up in class with him because he'd be live at a longer price. Mike Maker and/or Ken Ramsey must've watched his last race, because they claimed him for 25k today. I wonder if David Cannizo thought they'd be able to get him through that race without him getting claimed? I think Ramsey got him for a bargain and should move him up the ladder in a turf sprint at Belmont or maybe even Keeneland next out. Keep an eye on him. As long as he stays on form he'll give allowance horses all they can handle.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

He had that same ground-saving stalking trip on the rail in his last start as well, but the front-runners didn't clear out for him that day. He was buried on the rail and had no way to go.

I haven't seen the race yet, because I'm in the tropical paradise known as North Dakota visiting gramma lol. But how many horses scratched out that he became the heavy chalk? He was gonna be a short price anyway, but THAT short?

Also, as I said in the original post, I was mad that they weren't jumping up in class with him because he'd be live at a longer price. Mike Maker and/or Ken Ramsey must've watched his last race, because they claimed him for 25k today. I wonder if David Cannizo thought they'd be able to get him through that race without him getting claimed? I think Ramsey got him for a bargain and should move him up the ladder in a turf sprint at Belmont or maybe even Keeneland next out. Keep an eye on him. As long as he stays on form he'll give allowance horses all they can handle.

I hope that you didn't see my comment as a knock on your pick as it certainly wasn't meant to be. The horse won and you did a nice job finding it albeit that the price took a hit with the scratches.

My comment was directed at making a note going forward as he got an absolute ground saving perfect trip on the hedge and a hole opened up for him today.

[pmayjr]

Not at all... hope I didn't seem that way?

Just wanted to clarify that he had the same trip last time and that same trip got him in trouble lol. I didn't blame the jock for it last out, because he put him in a great position to win, and just couldn't find room. Glad he found it today.

I hope Ramsey/Maker tries at least 40k claiming next out, if not allowance company. He's live

[pmayjr]

Had an official work at Keeneland today. Ramsey/Maker picked him up after the turf sprint claiming score final weekend at Toga (might've been the last race on the turf for the meet due to all the rain that weekend?).

Hoping for a Turf Sprint allowance at Keeneland where he will be competitive, but can fly under the radar odds-wise a little.

[jtrottier]

Returns today at Keeneland Race # 7. 7/2 ML and it's 6.5 furlongs on the all weather. Not much of a price for moving him up in class. Don't have access to PP's but does he have any races/workouts on this surface?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by jtrottier

Returns today at Keeneland Race # 7. 7/2 ML and it's 6.5 furlongs on the all weather. Not much of a price for moving him up in class. Don't have access to PP's but does he have any races/workouts on this surface?

Yes.. Maker gave him one drill at KEE and one before that at Turfway since the claim.

[pmayjr]

He is an allowance horse... in turf sprints. Hopefully they learn from today and get him back on the lawn

[pmayjr]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

hmmm... interesting... also Maker doesn't usually have a string of horses in NY right? I mean where if he did he could've left the horse up there to run at BEL.

I knew when he claimed the horse that he'd be bringing him to Keeneleand. But Even if there aren't many turf sprints carded. A straight 6f, 5.5f on the main maybe better?

Gotta love a message board where we're debating where/what races a fringe allowance horse should be placed lol

Originally Posted by Kasept

A one turn race on KEE's poly is a turf sprint. He was 5th as the 4th choice, beaten 2L in a 6 horse blanket finish. What's to learn?

Also,

Admittedly I didn't see the replay of the race. Just read the chart that he lost by 2 lengths. But I did have reservations going in about him going 6.5f. Assuming he was close up and he flattened out late?