Ed DeRosa tweets get attention after the Shuvee

[randallscott35]

Apples and oranges obviously but the idea that you can't criticize Zenyatta's competition is ridiculous. The West Coast gang just can't hear of it. Say a Thank You prayer for Blame every night before bed.

[10 pnt move up]

There are some people that believe unless you win at Saratoga somehow you are not deemed "worthy". We saw that with Azeri back in the day, then she won there and suddenly she was truly a great horse. Most people don't feel like that but some do, obviously this guy does.

Zenyatta accomplished enough on dirt you would think she was past that type of criticism but some people have their own agenda.

[pweizer]

Zenyatta did ship east and run on dirt twice if memory serves. She was dominant at Oaklawn and missed by a nose in the Breeders Cup Classic at Churchill.

Zenyatta did get a ton of hype. I don't know if she was an all time great. But, the idea that she couldn't run on a real surface strikes me as plain silly.

Paul

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by pweizer

Zenyatta did ship east and run on dirt twice if memory serves. She was dominant at Oaklawn and missed by a nose in the Breeders Cup Classic at Churchill.

Zenyatta did get a ton of hype. I don't know if she was an all time great. But, the idea that she couldn't run on a real surface strikes me as plain silly.

Paul

Yes, 2 dirt starts, the rest all in Cali and all on synthetic and most against tin cans...but I don't want to rehash Zenyatta, its more the concept that you can't take a weary eye to her accomplishments without being attacked.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Yes, 2 dirt starts, the rest all in Cali and all on synthetic and most against tin cans...but I don't want to rehash Zenyatta, its more the concept that you can't take a weary eye to her accomplishments without being attacked.

Shouldn't you get your facts straight?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Shouldn't you get your facts straight?

I'm sure I should. Have 2 kids 2 and under, I don't sleep, I'm sure I'm wrong about most things

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Yes, 2 dirt starts, the rest all in Cali and all on synthetic and most against tin cans...but I don't want to rehash Zenyatta, its more the concept that you can't take a weary eye to her accomplishments without being attacked.

she turned them into tin cans. how can you be so obtuse ? Broke every fillies spirit that she passed, which was every single one of them.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

she turned them into tin cans. how can you be so obtuse ? Broke every fillies spirit that she passed, which was every single one of them.

OMG, do a search for Calzone Lord or whatever he was called back in the day based on her competition and what they accomplished. It is enlightening....I am now done with this thread.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

SHAWSHANK REF.. 'how can you be so obtuse' WHAT HAPPENED IN THE B.C?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

OMG, do a search for Calzone Lord or whatever he was called back in the day based on her competition and what they accomplished. It is enlightening....I am now done with this thread.

Who DIDNT she beat that was running in the female division? She raced in three breeders cups for God's sake, its not like she ducked the big races.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Who DIDNT she beat that was running in the female division? She raced in three breeders cups for God's sake, its not like she ducked the big races.

She raced the same female scrubs all year long over and over in SoCal except for the BC. Granted, that his how racing goes these days. It was a double edged sword in that no trainers with good females wanted to face her much either.

But, she could have been tried in tougher races all over the country as well as at home. She didn't race in a single Big Cap, Hollywood Gold Cup, or Pacific Classic.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by pweizer

Zenyatta did ship east and run on dirt twice if memory serves. She was dominant at Oaklawn and missed by a nose in the Breeders Cup Classic at Churchill.

Zenyatta did get a ton of hype. I don't know if she was an all time great. But, the idea that she couldn't run on a real surface strikes me as plain silly.

Paul

I'm pretty sure this was done as a rouse to evoke responses from these people





and shouldn't be taken seriously.

[10 pnt move up]

Too further my point lets take Game On Dude, who by every measure is a very very good horse. He has run on dirt and synthetic, in exclusively grade 1 or 2 competition, ran extremely fast figures, ran a super second in the BC Classic while shipping to Churchill but he has yet to win at Saratoga, and to a lesser extent Belmont. There is a perception out there that he just is ok and winning because he runs in California where the reality is he wins because he is very very good.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Too further my point lets take Game On Dude, who by every measure is a very very good horse. He has run on dirt and synthetic, in exclusively grade 1 or 2 competition, ran extremely fast figures, ran a super second in the BC Classic while shipping to Churchill but he has yet to win at Saratoga, and to a lesser extent Belmont. There is a perception out there that he just is ok and winning because he runs in California where the reality is he wins because he is very very good.

I am lost on this Saratoga point. I don't care whether a horse runs during this 6 week meet or not, just the general level of competition wherever it is. AQ is fine. And pretty in November.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I am lost on this Saratoga point. I don't care whether a horse runs during this 6 week meet or not, just the general level of competition wherever it is. AQ is fine. And pretty in November.

What don't you get about Ed's tweet, that was his very point.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

What don't you get about Ed's tweet, that was his very point.

He said EAST, not Saratoga...I think I read it fine. But continue your rant on nothing.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Too further my point lets take Game On Dude, who by every measure is a very very good horse. He has run on dirt and synthetic, in exclusively grade 1 or 2 competition, ran extremely fast figures, ran a super second in the BC Classic while shipping to Churchill but he has yet to win at Saratoga, and to a lesser extent Belmont. There is a perception out there that he just is ok and winning because he runs in California where the reality is he wins because he is very very good.

This is complete and utter BS. You just made this up out of thin air. We praise Game on Dude constantly as arguably the best horse in the country. Please, find some examples from credible people that supports your contention.

This kind of paranoia is just plain silly.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is complete and utter BS. You just made this up out of thin air. We praise Game on Dude constantly as arguably the best horse in the country. Please, find some examples from credible people that supports your contention.

This kind of paranoia is just plain silly.

Most serious horseplayers I know are east coast guys, and they all think he is terrific.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Most serious horseplayers I know are east coast guys, and they all think he is terrific.

You know that's only because Torre is a part owner....cmon

[Danzig]

this tweet got me:

samantha siegel ‏@jayemesssam 20 Jul
@EJXD2 she's not her clone Ed! Big gaps between races a big clue. Stupid argument!


big gap between races? i thought that was common with shirreff horses? and if she was needing a race, then why the shuvee first off a layoff?