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[3kings]

I guess there was more tampering.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...iggest-dipwad/

[slotdirt]

Still can't believe people actually believed this guy.

[Alabama Stakes]

they believed Lance Armstrong. 10 years ago after talking to a world class cyclist, he said in no uncertain terms that, NO ONE could dominate on the hills like Armstrong without something. Just not possible. I believed him.

[wiphan]

Definitely disappointed in Braun and as a brewers fan you always wanted to believe him(even though you knew it was probably true) especially after his statement following his appeal.

For all you that knew he cheated and was on PED's do you think that less than 2% of NFL players are on something? How many NFL players actually test positive? I believe that most likely more than 50% of NFL players are on something. We are amazed by the recovery and amazing performance on players like Adrian Peterson. Do you really believe that they do this naturally? or do you think they are on something? I have talked to former assistant coaches of high level D1 college football programs and about 90% of the athletes are on something. Not to mention my best friend was a running back at a D2 program and he said 75% of the team was on something. I think as fans we only care when someone gets caught, but in the back of our mind we know that most of these elite athletes take something illegal. I truly believe as fans we would just rather not know and continue to turn our head to than to face reality.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Definitely disappointed in Braun and as a brewers fan you always wanted to believe him(even though you knew it was probably true) especially after his statement following his appeal.

For all you that knew he cheated and was on PED's do you think that less than 2% of NFL players are on something? How many NFL players actually test positive? I believe that most likely more than 50% of NFL players are on something. We are amazed by the recovery and amazing performance on players like Adrian Peterson. Do you really believe that they do this naturally? or do you think they are on something? I have talked to former assistant coaches of high level D1 college football programs and about 90% of the athletes are on something. Not to mention my best friend was a running back at a D2 program and he said 75% of the team was on something. I think as fans we only care when someone gets caught, but in the back of our mind we know that most of these elite athletes take something illegal. I truly believe as fans we would just rather not know and continue to turn our head to than to face reality.

I don't really care what the athletes do. When caught I prefer them to take their suspention and stfu. I particularly do not want them to get the other people just doing their jobs fired. In this case the sample collector and the mediator both lost jobs while he said he was being wronged.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by 3kings

I don't really care what the athletes do. When caught I prefer them to take their suspention and stfu. I particularly do not want them to get the other people just doing their jobs fired. In this case the sample collector and the mediator both lost jobs while he said he was being wronged.

The arbitrator didn't lose his job because of Braun, the arbitrator lost his job because MLB didn't like the outcome and MLB hires the arbitrator. Dino Laurenzi Jr (sample collector) lost his job because he didn't do it properly thus allowing Braun to win the arbitration. Sometimes when you don't do your job properly or follow all guidelines you lose your job. That is what happens in life. Not to mention that all of this should have happened without our knowledge based on MLB's agreement with the players in regards to testing, results and arbitration. The public should not be aware until the arbitration is already over. MLB has a problem with leaks in their own office. Now with all that said what Braun did was wrong and he deserves what he gets, but to think he is the only major star out there doing this is a joke!

[3kings]

Originally Posted by wiphan

The arbitrator didn't lose his job because of Braun, the arbitrator lost his job because MLB didn't like the outcome and MLB hires the arbitrator. Dino Laurenzi Jr (sample collector) lost his job because he didn't do it properly thus allowing Braun to win the arbitration. Sometimes when you don't do your job properly or follow all guidelines you lose your job. That is what happens in life. Not to mention that all of this should have happened without our knowledge based on MLB's agreement with the players in regards to testing, results and arbitration. The public should not be aware until the arbitration is already over. MLB has a problem with leaks in their own office. Now with all that said what Braun did was wrong and he deserves what he gets, but to think he is the only major star out there doing this is a joke!

OK, the mediator was a stretch.

Thank you for explaining job responsibility to me. The fact remains that he knew he was juicing yet insisted on causing a stir which got the tester filed. The test would still have been dirty even if it was handled properly.

This sums it up for me
http://news.yahoo.com/ryan-braun-dop...050550708.html