Civil-war-on-this-date in 1863.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm sure there's also a statue of butler....

"Spoons" Butler.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

"Spoons" Butler.

[bigrun]

Gettysburg’s dark secret.

With this week’s 150th anniversary of the battle of Gettysburg, we will be reminded of that epic struggle’s famous highlights — the missed Confederate opportunity to achieve victory on the first day, the struggle for Little Round Top on day two and the battle’s dramatic climax on July 3 with Pickett’s Charge.

A closer examination of the historical record has uncovered a dark consequence of the battle that, until recently, was little known. After poring through numerous letters, diaries and the official correspondence of Confederate soldiers, historian David G. Smith reveals that as the Army of Northern Virginia moved into Pennsylvania in late June 1863, it began to round up scores of free blacks and escaped slaves to be sent south.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion...611cdf079.html

[Danzig]

made it to stones river battlefield (murfreesboro, tn) and fort donelson (dover, tn). very disappointed to find that the nashville battlefield has been covered over by develpments. great museum downtown tho.
stones river is home to the oldest monument to a battle, built by actual battle veterans only six months after the fight. donelson is where grant earned his moniker of 'unconditional surrender' grant. donelson was the first decisive win for the north, and things would generally go well for the union from them on in the west.
too bad that rat nathan bedford forrest escaped from fort donelson.

[Storm Cadet]

You should try to get down to Chattanooga/Chickamauga area on your trip. Visit Lookout Mtn and they have some great areas on the top of Missionary Ridge. The museum and tour at Chickamauga battlefield is also first rate. It is also their 150th anniversary. Visit their National Cemetery in Chattanooga too!

[bigrun]

Civil War 150th: On this date in 1863.


LATEST FROM THE NORTH.

THE GREAT BATTLE AT GETTYSBURG.


We have received from Hon. Robert Ould, Commissioner of Exchange, New York papers of the 2d, 3d and 4th insts. The following dispatches in the New York World give an account of the progress of the fighting. The first contains extracts from the official report of Gen. Meade, which was all the War Department would allow to be telegraphed from Washington to the Northern papers:

Washington, July 3d.--An official dispatch was received this afternoon from Major-General Meade, dated headquarters, Army of the Potomac, 11 o’clock P. M., July 2nd, which says:

“The enemy attacked me about 4 P. M. this day, and, after one of the severest contests of the war, was repulsed at all points. We have suffered considerably in killed and wounded. ... We have taken a large number of prisoners.”

Dispatches about the Fighting.

Philadelphia, July 3.--A special dispatch to the Bulletin, from Harrisburg, says:

Nothing is yet known as to results, but the impression prevails that the great decisive battle of the campaign has been fought in the neighborhood of Cashtown, between Gettysburg and Chambersburg.

It is believed that we have suffered heavy losses in officers and men, but Lee is so crippled as to be placed on the defensive.

Yesterday Gen. Meade assumed the offensive. The day before Lee had attacked Meade, and was repulsed with heavy loss.

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Tilford: Gettysburg’s legacy still paying off.


It was a war fought by dirt-poor Southern white farmers on one side and a lot of German and Irish immigrants filling out the ranks of dirt-poor Yankee farmers on the other side. Despite sharing the same race, religion and history, they slaughtered one another with alacrity. What a different country this might have been if, 400 years ago, someone had suggested, “Let’s pick our own cotton.”

On several occasions I visited that place where, 150 years ago, the future of this republic was decided. When I taught at Grove City College in western Pennsylvania, I showed the movie “Gettysburg” to my U.S. military history classes.

It took eight months to bury the dead. More Americans died on each of the three days of the Battle of Gettysburg than have died in the dozen years of the War on Terror.


Half the soldiers killed in all American wars since the 17th century — about a million in all — died in our Civil War. Almost all of the Civil War casualties were of Anglo-Saxon, Scots-Irish or German-Dutch descent. They were mainly Christians and mostly Protestant, with Catholics from Boston and New York City, Savannah and New Orleans thrown in.
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Bryan: The Civil War transformed American medicine.

My grandfather told me that when he was a boy, he would steal glances at a Civil War veteran sitting in church every Sunday. The man had a gaping hole in his forehead, a gruesome reminder of the violence of war. But it was also evidence that people could survive horrific wounds before the development of modern medicine. Why was that man alive, yet so many other soldiers were not so fortunate? Was it luck or the result of skilled medical practice?

Despite its brutal reputation, Civil War medical care played a significant role in the advent of modern medicine. As medical historian George Wunderlich contends, the war "was a watershed that changed the practice of medicine to such an extent that it would never be the same. Many aspects of modern patient care that we take for granted today can trace their origins to that war."

http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion...9bb30f31a.html

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Civil War 150th: On this date in 1863.


LATEST FROM THE NORTH.

THE GREAT BATTLE AT GETTYSBURG.


We have received from Hon. Robert Ould, Commissioner of Exchange, New York papers of the 2d, 3d and 4th insts. The following dispatches in the New York World give an account of the progress of the fighting. The first contains extracts from the official report of Gen. Meade, which was all the War Department would allow to be telegraphed from Washington to the Northern papers:

Washington, July 3d.--An official dispatch was received this afternoon from Major-General Meade, dated headquarters, Army of the Potomac, 11 o’clock P. M., July 2nd, which says:

“The enemy attacked me about 4 P. M. this day, and, after one of the severest contests of the war, was repulsed at all points. We have suffered considerably in killed and wounded. ... We have taken a large number of prisoners.”

Dispatches about the Fighting.

Philadelphia, July 3.--A special dispatch to the Bulletin, from Harrisburg, says:

Nothing is yet known as to results, but the impression prevails that the great decisive battle of the campaign has been fought in the neighborhood of Cashtown, between Gettysburg and Chambersburg.

It is believed that we have suffered heavy losses in officers and men, but Lee is so crippled as to be placed on the defensive.

Yesterday Gen. Meade assumed the offensive. The day before Lee had attacked Meade, and was repulsed with heavy loss.

--------------------------------------------------------------

Tilford: Gettysburg’s legacy still paying off.


It was a war fought by dirt-poor Southern white farmers on one side and a lot of German and Irish immigrants filling out the ranks of dirt-poor Yankee farmers on the other side. Despite sharing the same race, religion and history, they slaughtered one another with alacrity. What a different country this might have been if, 400 years ago, someone had suggested, “Let’s pick our own cotton.”

On several occasions I visited that place where, 150 years ago, the future of this republic was decided. When I taught at Grove City College in western Pennsylvania, I showed the movie “Gettysburg” to my U.S. military history classes.

It took eight months to bury the dead. More Americans died on each of the three days of the Battle of Gettysburg than have died in the dozen years of the War on Terror.


Half the soldiers killed in all American wars since the 17th century — about a million in all — died in our Civil War. Almost all of the Civil War casualties were of Anglo-Saxon, Scots-Irish or German-Dutch descent. They were mainly Christians and mostly Protestant, with Catholics from Boston and New York City, Savannah and New Orleans thrown in.
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Bryan: The Civil War transformed American medicine.








http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion...9bb30f31a.html

the battle of shiloh was the first that had what they'd now call a 'mash' unit, when albert sidney johnston sent his personal physician out into the field to help the wounded. of course that decision had huge repercussions-had the doctor remained at his side, johnston wouldn't be known to history as the highest ranking army general ever to die in battle. no one thought his wound was serious. in fact, the bullet had hit the artery in his leg, and he bled out.
as for unhealed wounds, at the tn state museum, they had a picture of a soldier from about 15 years after the war-with a stick stuck thru his side to show his unhealed wound. i also know from reading sam houstons bio that his wound he suffered fighting with jackson vs the red sticks that his groin injury never healed.

the soldiers might have been better served staying out of some of the hospitals, as it seemed the treatment could be worse than the cure. i wonder if the earlier wounded fared better than later? the doctors would have less blood and gore on them if they hadn't treated as many patients.
and i think disease such as yellow fever, measles, typhoid and the like probably killed more than battle wounds did.

joshua chamberlain was posthumously promoted....when he awoke weeks later his brother told him the news. he'd been shot thru both hips, and they thought it was a mortal wound-but he survived and kept his promotion. he later earned the name 'bloody chamberlain'. while leading his troops in a later battle (i think the battle of the wilderness) the hero of little round top was seen to have been shot 'clean thru' but kept his saddle and kept fighting. turned out that the bullet that went into his belly rode his rib around to his back and exited....everyone thought the bullet went thru him. he lived to his 90's.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Storm Cadet

You should try to get down to Chattanooga/Chickamauga area on your trip. Visit Lookout Mtn and they have some great areas on the top of Missionary Ridge. The museum and tour at Chickamauga battlefield is also first rate. It is also their 150th anniversary. Visit their National Cemetery in Chattanooga too!

went to chat/chic and the 'battle above the clouds' last year, on the way to kennesaw mountain..then to atl, savannah and up to charleston. the gun collection at chickamauga is outstanding.
i've told tony i'd like to make a swing thru va, md and to gettsyburg-i suggested hitting those sites in between some home ice capitals games...lol