Coolmore's New Website

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Other than Take Charge Lady though, his career as a stallion has been a little disappointing in America. I would go with Deputy Commander out in CA before going to him. If you really have money and like the Deputy Minister's, you have Touch Gold at 50K and obviously Awesome Again who is very expensive.

His results are misleading because he's stood a big part of his career in Japan and his results there arent the best, especially when compared to French Deputy. His fertility is also a point of contention... but at 20k, he's a bargain.

He's responsible for stakes winners Arrested Dreams, Belle Du Jour (AUS) G1, Belle of Perintown G2, Bollinger (AUS) G1, Cold Awakening, D' Coach, Defier (AUS) G1, Easyfromthegitgo, Finality, Graeme Hall G2, Her She Kisses, Here's Zealous G3, Ironman Dehere, Lady Dehere G2, Millencolin G3, Millions G3, Mirror Mirror (AUS) G1, Miss Seffens, Natural Blitz (AUS) G2, Outta Here, Puxa Saco G3, Soto G2, Take Charge Lady G1, Win's Fair lady... etc!

[blackthroatedwind]

Dehere was an exceptional 2YO who unfortunately didn't get much chance as a 3YO. His win in the Fountain of Youth was tainted somewhat by Holy Bull displacing but he was a good horse. I think he was more of a closing sprinter in reality. His wins at Saratoga were some of the most visually impressive races I have ever seen.

To be fair, his loss to Holy Bull in the Futurity ( and I bet Holy Bull that day ) was as much the result of Holy Bull being loose on a sloppy speed track as anything. I loved Holy Bull but as 2YOs it's hard to say he was a better horse than Dehere.

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think he was more of a closing sprinter in reality.

I think you're right about that... his route races left a little something to be desired... The Champagne win was slower then Heavenly Prize's Frizette, and the horse he beat, Crary, was a complete slob... Dehere's BC was awful...

Then he lost to Ride the Rails going long in early 94.. and the FTn Of Youth, as you said was marred by Holy Bull displacing...

He probably could have been a champion sprinter though with that kick he had..

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Dehere was an exceptional 2YO who unfortunately didn't get much chance as a 3YO. His win in the Fountain of Youth was tainted somewhat by Holy Bull displacing but he was a good horse. I think he was more of a closing sprinter in reality. His wins at Saratoga were some of the most visually impressive races I have ever seen.

To be fair, his loss to Holy Bull in the Futurity ( and I bet Holy Bull that day ) was as much the result of Holy Bull being loose on a sloppy speed track as anything. I loved Holy Bull but as 2YOs it's hard to say he was a better horse than Dehere.

Im glad to hear someone with a lot of knowledge and strong opinions speak highly of Dehere. He was a very visually impressive two year old that seems to lose a lot of respect of both his accomplishments on the track and his consistent results at stud with limited oppurtunity.

[blackthroatedwind]

I honestly think his lack of positive publicity, so to speak, is at least partially related to general dislike for Robert Brennan, his owner ( who I believe is still in prison ).

Anybody that saw Dehere run knows he was a very good horse.

[georgewashington]

There is a lot more behind Dehere than meets the eye. He was considered a major disappointment as a stallion by Coolmore. Coolmore sold him for $9M and then they exercised their right of first refusal and recently got him back. The fertility issues with the horse have been part of the problem but the real reason Coolmore bought back Dehere was to weaken Arrowfield in Australia. Dehere was bought primarily for their Australia roster.

The major knock on him is that he has not produced any talented male horses in america. Graeme Hall is not exactly a horse you can hang your hat on.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Balletto

Im glad to hear someone with a lot of knowledge and strong opinions speak highly of Dehere. He was a very visually impressive two year old that seems to lose a lot of respect of both his accomplishments on the track and his consistent results at stud with limited oppurtunity.

Dehere was a 2-year old in 1993. How old were you saw him and he was "very visually impresssive?"

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Dehere was a 2-year old in 1993. How old were you saw him and he was "very visually impresssive?"

I never said I saw him in person... its why I mentioned the vids on the website. His wins were very visually impressive. Its why I brought him up... no one ever mentions him as a great 2 yo and if I wasnt familiar with a mare by him, I would never have known who he was or bothered to ever look him up as a racehorse.

Its the same thing as me saying Secretariat's Belmont is visually impressive. "Visually" is the operative word... dont over-think it champ.

Oh, and I would have been 6.

[Danzig]

here's dehere's page:


http://www.stallionregister.com/pdfs/dehere.pdf

they must feel he's worth another look, bringing him back @ a 20k stud fee. and he's one of those rarities in that his AEI is higher than his CI.

[brockguy]

while you are talking visually impressive, check out Hold That Tiger's win in the Grand Criterium. comes from last to first and wins a shade cosily in the end..

Originally Posted by brockguy

while you are talking visually impressive, check out Hold That Tiger's win in the Grand Criterium. comes from last to first and wins a shade cosily in the end..

It reminds me of a race won by Sophisticat. She looked to have absolutely no chance and then just exploded.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brockguy

while you are talking visually impressive, check out Hold That Tiger's win in the Grand Criterium. comes from last to first and wins a shade cosily in the end..

I thought that Hold that Tiger probably was a better dirt horse than a turf horse. Strange but he has zero buzz here. If he had been able to get out of the gate in the BC juvy he may have been able to win the damn thing. He got so far behind that it was laughable.