6/8 (BEL) 145th Belmont Stakes: Field at 14 as 'Tiz' passes

[tywizard]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

The Oaks is a pace melt-down waiting to happen. If I trained Dreaming of Julia she'd scratch and point for the triple tiara.

Let Midnight Lucky, Close Hatches, Beholder, and the four or five other quality speeds in there take each other apart.

There is a 0.00% chance I'd start her in the Oaks. The New York races are just as prestigious and the Breeders Cup Distaff is far more prestigious than the Oaks.

Pletcher is kid-gloving Dreaming of Julia into this race. Her final work was sundial slow under a full nelson. It looked more like a gallop than a work.

I agree with you and think a lot of other people do to...precisely why most think she fits in the Derby which appears to have a general lack of pace.

Nevertheless, does this mean you're endorsing Pure Fun in the Oaks?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by tywizard

Nevertheless, does this mean you're endorsing Pure Fun in the Oaks?

I loved her race over the track last year. She's always stunk on true synthetic surfaces and turf.

She got sick for a few days right after her comeback race ... and that is something that derails the form of a lot of young horses. Every week that I've heard about a horse who was sick after a race this year, they've completely bombed in their next race and their form didn't quickly recover. Purple Egg stopped on a dime in that Tampa Derby 1st off being reportedly sick. My Name is Micheal had good Canadian poly form for a weak trainer, ran fine at Tampa for Mott, got sick, and completely bombed in the Spiral.

My father said it often threw his cheap horses for negative form reversals, and when you're talking about younger horses who do more training in between starts, it's really not a good sign IMO.

McPeek said Pure Fun was breathing very hard after the Lexington.

I have to use Pure Fun because of the pace dynamics and because I believe this is the surface she wants ... but I wish she came up to this race better. Her entry looks like a case of Oaks fever. It would be easier for me to draw a line threw her two weak Poly races this year if I didn't read and hear that she cameback sick for a few days out of her comeback.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I loved her race over the track last year. She's always stunk on true synthetic surfaces and turf.

She got sick for a few days right after her comeback race ... and that is something that derails the form of a lot of young horses. Every week that I've heard about a horse who was sick after a race this year, they've completely bombed in their next race and their form didn't quickly recover. Purple Egg stopped on a dime in that Tampa Derby 1st off being reportedly sick. My Name is Micheal had good Canadian poly form for a weak trainer, ran fine at Tampa for Mott, got sick, and completely bombed in the Spiral.

My father said it often threw his cheap horses for negative form reversals, and when you're talking about younger horses who do more training in between starts, it's really not a good sign IMO.

McPeek said Pure Fun was breathing very hard after the Lexington.

I have to use Pure Fun because of the pace dynamics and because I believe this is the surface she wants ... but I wish she came up to this race better. Her entry looks like a case of Oaks fever. It would be easier for me to draw a line threw her two weak Poly races this year if I didn't read and hear that she cameback sick for a few days out of her comeback.

Do you really think Dreaming of Julia will be close to the pace? I think she will be about 5 lengths off of it 3 wide the whole way around

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Scav

Do you really think Dreaming of Julia will be close to the pace? I think she will be about 5 lengths off of it 3 wide the whole way around

The last time the pace complexion looked hot, they tried taking her back in the Breeders Cup Juvenile Fillies.

Sure, she was against the bias that day, but the hot pace never materialized.

I don't think they'll get cute again. She'll be placed wherever she is comfortable and if she's sharp like last time, it won't be 5 lengths off unless a breakaway speed duel happens up front.